Champions League

[KingLeo10]

Yep, pretty favourable league matchup, pretty even cup matchup. 3W, 3D, 3L in Cups in the Messi era, 2 losses coming in finals (factual evidence Queenie!). Soz lads, but your dreamy theory that you'd not bottle a two-game tie like you always do, just doesn't hold ground without evidence. Zero equivalence between meetings across league and cup competitions.

League is the only guaranteed match-up with approximate starting XIs.

How many times have frequent match-ups of the same nation happened in CL other than RM - AM in the last ~10-15 years?

Only 1 Man United-Chelsea, only 1 Barca - RM, only 1 Bayern - Dortmund. I guess you could throw in Juve-Milan a little before that and that other Barca-RM if you really want to press 20-30 years.

Point is, had the sample size been larger in CL, rest assured the outcome would have been as it's been in LL.

You guys can have the CDR and that parade, though. By all means.

 

[serghei]

Yep, pretty favourable league matchup, pretty even cup matchup. 3W, 3D, 3L in Cups in the Messi era, 2 losses coming in finals (factual evidence Queenie!). Soz lads, but your dreamy theory that you'd not bottle a two-game tie like you always do, just doesn't hold ground without evidence. Zero equivalence between meetings across league and cup competitions.

Dude, we beat Madrid way more often than we lose and most of the time we humiliate them. If you think this doesn't show a superiority of Barcelona over Madrid... well... you're just delusional.

 

[El Gato]

[MENTION=19457]KingLeo10[/MENTION]
2 to 1 what, non-losses? Claiming a draw in favour of your own team, haha some serious mind bending stuff. Why not just say it's 8-0 to remain correct like a normal person if you want to report a cherry picked H2H record in a convenient time frame? At least it'd be valid, but I guess I expect a bit much

Genuinely no idea what you beef is dud. You point out superiority in the Liga in recent memory, which I've conceded multiple times and get all mad when I point out there is zero linearity between that and the cup competitions where Barca and Madrid beat each other to an equal extent. Simple facts and you get all mad crying you want some room for inaccurate banter. You said you "bully" Madrid in all competitions. Your words not mine. I pointed out you have no evidence to back that up. Check yo facts laddie.

[MENTION=15262]serghei[/MENTION]
Man.. at least read the conversation before strawmanning and putting words in my mouth.

 

[serghei]

Yea, that I agree with. We don't bully Madrid in all competitions. We just bully Madrid when we meet them.

[MENTION=15262]serghei[/MENTION]
Man.. at least read the conversation before strawmanning and putting words in my mouth.

You never give a fair shake and admit when a rival has superiority over Madrid.

 

[KingLeo10]

2 to 1 what, non-losses? Claiming a draw in favour of your own team, haha some serious mind bending stuff. Why not just say it's 8-0 to remain correct like a normal person if you want to report a cherry picked H2H record in a convenient time frame? At least it'd be valid, but I guess I expect a bit much

Genuinely no idea what you beef is dud. You point out superiority in the Liga in recent memory, which I've conceded multiple times and get all mad when I point out there is zero linearity between that and the cup competitions where Barca and Madrid beat each other to an equal extent. Simple facts and you get all mad crying you want some room for inaccurate banter. You said you "bully" Madrid in all competitions. Your words not mine. I pointed out you have no evidence to back that up. Check yo facts laddie.

~2 to 1 in wins.

There's no cherry picking. Even a simpleton would make that inference from a line of: 18 W, 10 D, 10 L.

Tell me now, do you want to somehow work in split credit for the draws too?

There's no beef. Merely your delusion of dismissing cold numbers as cherry-picking, and a complete and utter lack of ability to accept any (rightful) dig at RM without devolving into a butthurt mess.

 

[KingLeo10]

You never give a fair shake and admit when a rival has superiority over another.

Precisely my point. He loves to dish it but can't take it.

 

[El Gato]

Tell me now, do you want to somehow work in split credit for the draws too?

Work as you wish. You're the one placing this kind of equivalence on all Clasicos by saying that and then go on to say "ah, have the Copa ones really".

[MENTION=15262]serghei[/MENTION]
3-3-3 in Cups in the Messi era. In case you missed it.

You never give a fair shake and admit when a rival has superiority over Madrid.

I do. Here, again, in case you missed it:

You point out superiority in the Liga in recent memory, which I've conceded multiple times and get all mad when I point out there is zero linearity between that and the cup competitions where Barca and Madrid beat each other to an equal extent.

 

[serghei]

Work as you wish. You're the one placing this kind of equivalence on all Clasicos by saying that and then go on to say "ah, have the Copa ones really".

[MENTION=15262]serghei[/MENTION]
3-3-3 in Cups in the Messi era. In case you missed it.

Vast superiority in La Liga
Superiority in CL

in direct duels vs Madrid in the Messi era. Deal with it and stop wasting our time.

 

[El Gato]

Superiority in CL

in direct duel vs Madrid in the Messi era.

1 win and 1 draw. Clear superiority.

*kadunk*

 

[serghei]

1 win and 1 draw. Clear superiority.

*kadunk*

We work with what data we have. We knocked you out the one time we've met. And we beat you for fun in La Liga.

 

[El Gato]

We work with what data we have. We knocked you out the one time we've met. And we beat you for fun in La Liga.

Would make for some great witchcraft trying to visualise CL trends based on two points on a scatter graph.

 

[serghei]

Would make for some great witchcraft trying to visualise CL trends based on two points on a scatter graph.

You brought the CL h2h mate. Not me. Because the h2h where there is plenty of data to analyze is so terribly not in your favor.

Since the huge chunk of games in the h2h between Barcelona and Madrid contains many beatdowns by Messi & Co, you just had to move the focus on cups. And even there Madrid is in a losing position in the 2 games that really counted the most.

 

[KingLeo10]

Would make for some great witchcraft trying to visualise CL trends based on two points on a scatter graph.

Didn't I explain above that other than RM-AM, CL pairings from the same nation are rare.

1 Man United - Arsenal
1 Man United - Chelsea
1 Juve-Milan
1 Bayern - Dortmund
1 Inter - AC milan I believe

We played Pinto in goal and Bartra in the CDR final v Madrid in 2014. If you want to take that to the bank and cash it in on a parade, by all means.

 

[El Gato]

You brought the CL h2h mate. Not me. Because the h2h where there is plenty of data to analyze is so terribly not in your favor.

Since the huge chunk of games in the h2h between Barcelona and Madrid contains many beatdowns by Messi & Co, you just had to move the focus on cups. And even there Madrid is in a losing position in the 2 games that really counted the most.

No, I did not. I replied specifically to the point made by Queenie implying that due the Liga results indicate Barcelona would have the same success against Madrid in CL and both of you drawing a CL Clasico trend from 1 win and 1 draw. Which is daft by any statistical standards. Then the point was made that Barca "bully Madrid in all competitions". Which is simply not correct. Sorry if it hurts your feelings lads and that you didn't meet us for more cup games in which you have 33% chance of winning based on the record in that time frame.

 

[bismp]

The last 11 years Barca has won La Liga 8 times and Real only won 2,there is no debate here

Also,the only time we met in the CL we went through.The only thing that somehow salvages the situation for Madrid is the 4 CLs between 2014-2018.Other than that,Barca has been by far more superior the past 11 years.Real should actually feel lucky we didn’t meet them in the CL those years,as they could have been eliminated(Barca almost always plays better against Real than other teams).

As for CdR,yes Real beat us twice in the final(though 2011 was ruined by that ref’s decision).That said,Real only has 2 CdR’s the past 11 years,while Barca has 6.

And finally,the cherry on top:5-0,2-6,5-1,0-4,0-3(twice),2-3,3-4 etc

So all in all:

La ligas: Barca 8-Real 2
CLs: Barca 3-Real 4
CdRs: Barca 6-Real 2
El Classico victories in all competitions:Barca 19-Real 10(if I counted correctly)
El Classico humiliations: Barca 6-Real 0