Champions League

[messi2140]

Let's see how long it lasts. It's all natural and cyclical. If the EPL keep running away with the best managers and talent in the coming years a European Super League might become a reality.

This. Thing is I have been hearing this talk of Premier League taking over for the past 5-6 years but they literally had 1 season (18/19) Where they dominated Europe. Last season for example they had 1 English team in the semi-final in the CL and EL.

 

[JamDav1982]

Let's see how long it lasts. It's all natural and cyclical. If the EPL keep running away with the best managers and talent in the coming years a European Super League might become a reality.

Doubt other top European teams will stand pat.

The cycle of other top teams like Barca/Real/Bayern maybe PSG/Juve etc being best teams in Europe will come back but cant see any single league competing for pulling power and depth of top players. The gap in money is just now too big.

 

[DonAK]

By the way this is also why it would be wise for some ahem certain institutions to help out Barca and Real Madrid when it comes to signing players like Haaland and Mbappe.

La Liga and Spain need Barca and Real Madrid more than the latter need them, and La Liga in particular need a strong, competitive Barca and RM very soon.

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

Chelsea was really dominant today. I expected Tuchel to improve this squad but not in this rapid fashion. Pretty incredible.
No one wants to play them right now and I would like to see a rematch between them and Bayern.

 

[Birdy]

This. Thing is I have been hearing this talk of Premier League taking over for the past 5-6 years but they literally had 1 season (18/19) Where they dominated Europe. Last season for example they had 1 English team in the semi-final in the CL and EL.

You have to understand that it does not go by who wins the CL each year (or the EL). It's not a single factor outcome.
That's why LL dominance did not end in 2017 or 2018

 

[messi2140]

You have to understand that it does not go by who wins the CL each year (or the EL). It's not a single factor outcome.
That's why LL dominance did not end in 2017 or 2018

Didn't say who wins the CL or EL decides who the best competition is. But if these English teams are supposedly so superior for so many years according to you , then surely English teams reaching the final or semi-final would be quite easy. The same way Barca , Atletico and Real did it when LL was the best competition out there.

 

[Birdy]

Didn't say who wins the CL or EL decides who the best competition is. But if these English teams are supposedly so superior for so many years , then surely English teams reaching the final or semi-final would be quite easy , the same way Barca , Atletico and Real did when LL was running the show.

It's not always that easy in cup competitions, as has been argued many times.
Liverpool last season broke all records in EPL but got knocked out by a mediocre Atletico.
Bayern in 2016 was best team in Europe arguably, but a mediocre RM won the CL at the end.

Plus, when we are talking about League dominance, any single good team alone does not prove anything.
Bayern in 2013 was by miles the best team in Europe, but Bundesliga was far from being the best league in Europe.
Same with Inter in 2010 and countless other examples

 

[messi2140]

It's not always that easy in cup competitions, as has been argued many times.
Liverpool last season broke all records in EPL but got knocked out by a mediocre Atletico.
Bayern in 2016 was best team in Europe arguably, but a mediocre RM won the CL at the end.

Plus, when we are talking about League dominance, any single good team alone does not prove anything.
Bayern in 2013 was by miles the best team in Europe, but Bundesliga was far from being the best league in Europe.
Same with Inter in 2010 and countless other examples

Not the point I'm trying to make. You dropping random facts doesn't change that. I hear this talk of Premier League running the show and them having so many top teams. If that's the case then at least one of those teams should easily reach the semi-finals consistently in the CL and EL.

 

[JamDav1982]

Last season was made quite random due to covid and different leagues starting at different times etc so maybe a bit of an outlier for a lot of sides.

For the couple years prior to that EPL teams won three of the four European trophies and were beaten finalists in the one didnt win. Of that four competitions two had all EPL finals.

That kind of dominance wont repeat but would be surprised that if once EPL is back to No1 ranked league in Europe it is not that comfortably for many years.

 

[KingLeo10]

It's not always that easy in cup competitions, as has been argued many times.
Liverpool last season broke all records in EPL but got knocked out by a mediocre Atletico.
Bayern in 2016 was best team in Europe arguably, but a mediocre RM won the CL at the end.

Plus, when we are talking about League dominance, any single good team alone does not prove anything.
Bayern in 2013 was by miles the best team in Europe, but Bundesliga was far from being the best league in Europe.
Same with Inter in 2010 and countless other examples

Bayern 2013, Dortmund 2013, and Inter 2010 are one offs.

Between 08 and 17, Barca, RM, and AM were CONSISTENTLY making CL finals and winning CL finals against other league teams.

In fact, Barca were undefeated v United x 2 and Juve.

RM undefeated v Juve and Pool.

That's 5-0 v other leagues in CL finals. Not a one off.

Bayern 2016 was knocked out by AM...a Spanish team. Bad example as usual.

 

[Richard.H]

I will admit overall EPL has a much higher upside than other European leagues. Bigger market, more fans willing to pay a lot of money for tickets, etc.

 

[te amo barca]

All that PL money has been invested into the right things like good managers, infrastructure, youth setups, etc., so EPL is finally reaping the benefits.

 

[ebc_99]

I have always wondered why Germany doesn't have bigger domestic tv contracts, it is the largest economy in Europe and the largest population outside of Russia and it is mad about football. Why does the UK, a smaller country with a smaller economy take in 3 times the domestic revenue from broadcasting rights. And on the other side, why do people in the UK pay such large sums to watch live sports.

I have BT Sports with my internet and have the La Liga app on amazon prime but I stream everything else, cancelled sky years ago, wasn't worth it, tv seems much cheaper in the rest of Europe.

I think Bayern, PSG, Barca & Real along with Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea & Man Utd will be the dominant clubs over the next decade or so unless something unforeseen happens.

 

[El Gato]

They're certainly very fortunate English is the lingua franca.

 

[Birdy]

Not the point I'm trying to make. You dropping random facts doesn't change that. I hear this talk of Premier League running the show and them having so many top teams. If that's the case then at least one of those teams should easily reach the semi-finals consistently in the CL and EL.

Liverpool reached CL final in 2018 and won it in 2019, Tottenham reaching the final that year.
Utd won EL in 2017, Chelsea and Arsenal reached the EL final in 2019.
There you go. You have your cases.

But again, why the benchmark is a cup competition?
Luck of the draw plays a role as well. City drew Liverpool in 2018 and Tottenham in 2019 and went out in the quarters.
I bet against any other opponent they are through to the semis.
Plus the tons of luck factors that can shift a tie either way in a cup competition and not always the best team to go through (like Liverpool last season).