CL semis: Bayern - Barca 3-2 (3-5 agg.)

FC B

Senior Member
Imo if both clubs play this tie as they did the entire whole season up until now internally as well as extrernally Barca would go through without extreme trouble ! So judging like this Barca are clear favourites.
I've been watching Bayern closely this season as well and that is my opinion based exclusively on what they've played so far.

If we take into account tactics and tactical decisions during the game, luck, refereeing, player errors, fatigue, etc, ofc this tie is open to any result and any outcome!
 

Unbiased United

New member
Barcelona to progress and then win in the final too. A truly frightening front three and at the risk of hyperbole accusations, possibly one of the best ever front three. Not that I take any pleasure in saying that though, especially with that cretin Suarez in there.

Should be a great game.
 

beogatts

New member
No need to ffear bayern. 12/13 was our best llesson of studyin bayern's players. Im sure lucho does his homework for this match. We'll win it ! Feelingg conffident
 

lessthanjake

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It IS undoubtedly true that RM has gotten easy draws until the semis pretty much every year recently. Let's start in 2010, when the current incarnation of RM really began:

2010:
ROUND OF 16: Real Madrid plays (and loses to) Lyon, who were not very good. To be fair, Barca only played Stuttgart in that round, who were probably worse than Lyon.

2011:
ROUND OF 16: Real Madrid again plays Lyon. And again, Lyon was not very good. In fact, they only got 64 points in Ligue 1 that season. Barcelona had to play Arsenal, a clearly superior team.
QUARTERS: Real Madrid plays Tottenham. Tottenham was not particularly good, and only finished a distant 5th in the Premier League that season. Barcelona played Shakhtar. It's hard to compare Shakhtar and Tottenham, since one is a decent team in a good league while another is a dominant team in a not-so-good league. But I think Shakhtar was almost certainly better.

2012:
ROUND OF 16: Real Madrid gets CSKA Moscow, a team who only finished 3rd in the Russian League that season, and really is not very good, having merely skated through the knockout round courtesy of an okay display in a bad group. Barcelona got Leverkusen, who also were not very good, but who were probably better than CSKA Moscow (for instance, they beat Chelsea and Valencia in the group stages).
QUARTERS: Real Madrid gets APOEL. Obviously, this is an absurdly easy quarterfinal draw. Meanwhile, Barcelona drew Milan. Milan were not Serie A champions that year, but they were very close, despite Juventus going unbeaten. They were a good team and certainly miles more difficult than APOEL.

2013:
ROUND OF 16: Real Madrid gets Manchester United. Barcelona gets Milan. For once, RM got a harder draw. Man U was not favored, but they were certainly a difficult round of 16 draw.
QUARTERS: Real Madrid gets Galatasaray. Very easy quarter final draw. Meanwhile, Barcelona gets PSG, who is a powerhouse team by this time. No question that RM got a way easier draw here.

2014:
ROUND OF 16: Real Madrid draws a merely decent Schalke team. Meanwhile Barcelona draws Manchester City, who won the Premier League that season. Barcelona's draw is way way harder, no matter what anyone says about Manchester City not performing in the CL.
QUARTERS: Real Madrid draws Dortmund. Dortmund was a good team, but they finished an extremely distant 2nd in the Bundesliga with only 71 points. Meanwhile, Barcelona played La Liga champion Atletico. While Dortmund is no slouch, Atletico was certainly a harder draw.

2015:
ROUND OF 16: Real plays Schalke, who are legitimately just a mid-table Bundlesliga team this year (they may be in 5th place, but they're super far from 4th. They're closer to 14th place than they are to 4th place). Meanwhile, Barcelona plays Manchester City. City isn't having their best year, but they're certainly far better than Schalke.
QUARTERS: RM plays Atletico, while Barcelona plays PSG. Atletico is certainly not easy, but PSG is a bit better this year.


By my count, RM has had an easier draw in 9 of the 11 pre-semifinal rounds since 2010. And honestly, RM has only had a few opponents that had any business posing a threat to them at all (Man U in 2013, Dortmund last year, and Atletico this year). Meanwhile, by my count, Barcelona has face EIGHT opponents that posed legitimate threats (Arsenal in 2011, Milan in 2012, Milan in 2013, PSG in 2013, Manchester City last year, Atletico last year, Manchester City this year, PSG this year). It really is hard to say that the draw has not been kinder to RM these past years. And it certainly was kinder again for this semifinal round.
 
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linetty

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Not sure wether I would rather start at home to be honest..
Doesn't matter whether home or away if the mentality is right. It's not that bad playing the second leg away form home though as every goal counts as two.
 

mssarm

Member
Am I like the only one who thinks we will (=are very capable to) win both legs ?
Whoever says Barca has the edge or Bayern does: it's pure speculations. No one knows what will happen, not even Lucho or Pep. Can Barca beat Bayern on both legs-absolutely!!! We have the talent in our team to do so. Maybe our midfield has room for improvement , but that means nothing in a game like this. We lost games in CL to lesser teams with perfect line up. As a Barca fan I believe my team will win in both legs. Can't understand "doom and gloom" people, why you are fan if you don't believe in your team.
 

Vlom

Previously known as Mehssi
Whoever says Barca has the edge or Bayern does: it's pure speculations. No one knows what will happen, not even Lucho or Pep. Can Barca beat Bayern on both legs-absolutely!!! We have the talent in our team to do so. Maybe our midfield has room for improvement , but that means nothing in a game like this. We lost games in CL to lesser teams with perfect line up. As a Barca fan I believe my team will win in both legs. Can't understand "doom and gloom" people, why you are fan if you don't believe in your team.

Completely agree, no need to be complacent, but a little faith and optimism towards our team should be the norm.

I've read such things as "most important thing is the cleansheet at camp nou, no barça fan expects more than a draw in the Allianz" .. wait, what ??

There will be no trashing as some claim, but winning both legs should be within our reach.
 

StarLord

New member
Am I like the only one who thinks we will (=are very capable to) win both legs ?

NO.

:cheers:


The only edge that Bayern have over us is that they can rest any player/walk through their league games, while we have to fight to the wire. That is Bayern's (and Juve's) only edge.
 

Altomonte

New member
The teams are quite evenly matched but Barca's offense with Messi as playmaker should give Barca the decisive edge. Neuer is a great goalkeeper but our forwards should be able to score. What I am afraid off are unnecessary yellow cards, caused by verbal complaints. Respect the referee - complaining about a (perhaps wrong) decision never achieves anything! Pique, Busquets, Alves, Alba in particular must learn to keep their mouth shut. Against Bayern we will not be able to play and win with 10 men.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
It IS undoubtedly true that RM has gotten easy draws until the semis pretty much every year recently. Let's start in 2010, when the current incarnation of RM really began:

2010:
ROUND OF 16: Real Madrid plays (and loses to) Lyon, who were not very good. To be fair, Barca only played Stuttgart in that round, who were probably worse than Lyon.

2011:
ROUND OF 16: Real Madrid again plays Lyon. And again, Lyon was not very good. In fact, they only got 64 points in Ligue 1 that season. Barcelona had to play Arsenal, a clearly superior team.
QUARTERS: Real Madrid plays Tottenham. Tottenham was not particularly good, and only finished a distant 5th in the Premier League that season. Barcelona played Shakhtar. It's hard to compare Shakhtar and Tottenham, since one is a decent team in a good league while another is a dominant team in a not-so-good league. But I think Shakhtar was almost certainly better.

2012:
ROUND OF 16: Real Madrid gets CSKA Moscow, a team who only finished 3rd in the Russian League that season, and really is not very good, having merely skated through the knockout round courtesy of an okay display in a bad group. Barcelona got Leverkusen, who also were not very good, but who were probably better than CSKA Moscow (for instance, they beat Chelsea and Valencia in the group stages).
QUARTERS: Real Madrid gets APOEL. Obviously, this is an absurdly easy quarterfinal draw. Meanwhile, Barcelona drew Milan. Milan were not Serie A champions that year, but they were very close, despite Juventus going unbeaten. They were a good team and certainly miles more difficult than APOEL.

2013:
ROUND OF 16: Real Madrid gets Manchester United. Barcelona gets Milan. For once, RM got a harder draw. Man U was not favored, but they were certainly a difficult round of 16 draw.
QUARTERS: Real Madrid gets Galatasaray. Very easy quarter final draw. Meanwhile, Barcelona gets PSG, who is a powerhouse team by this time. No question that RM got a way easier draw here.

2014:
ROUND OF 16: Real Madrid draws a merely decent Schalke team. Meanwhile Barcelona draws Manchester City, who won the Premier League that season. Barcelona's draw is way way harder, no matter what anyone says about Manchester City not performing in the CL.
QUARTERS: Real Madrid draws Dortmund. Dortmund was a good team, but they finished an extremely distant 2nd in the Bundesliga with only 71 points. Meanwhile, Barcelona played La Liga champion Atletico. While Dortmund is no slouch, Atletico was certainly a harder draw.

2015:
ROUND OF 16: Real plays Schalke, who are legitimately just a mid-table Bundlesliga team this year (they may be in 5th place, but they're super far from 4th. They're closer to 14th place than they are to 4th place). Meanwhile, Barcelona plays Manchester City. City isn't having their best year, but they're certainly far better than Schalke.
QUARTERS: RM plays Atletico, while Barcelona plays PSG. Atletico is certainly not easy, but PSG is a bit better this year.


By my count, RM has had an easier draw in 9 of the 11 pre-semifinal rounds since 2010. And honestly, RM has only had a few opponents that had any business posing a threat to them at all (Man U in 2013, Dortmund last year, and Atletico this year). Meanwhile, by my count, Barcelona has face EIGHT opponents that posed legitimate threats (Arsenal in 2011, Milan in 2012, Milan in 2013, PSG in 2013, Manchester City last year, Atletico last year, Manchester City this year, PSG this year). It really is hard to say that the draw has not been kinder to RM these past years. And it certainly was kinder again for this semifinal round.

Barcelona have pretty much cruised through the CL to this point to face Bayern in exactly same circumstances Real faced them last year. If anything due to injuries they could be weaker.

Real beat a strong Dortmund, Bayern and Atletico to win it last year. They didnt get an easy path. They earned it as Barca will need to if going to win it.
 

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