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[FCBfan22]

Ronaldo at MUN as a winger was incredible. He had it all. Dribbling, passing, speed, scoring. Now, he is a scorer and with Benzema next to him, he needs to be, because Benzema is, well Benzema. That said, he was never near Messi in terms of overall influence on his team.

Hopefully he has a shit game tonight.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yes ronaldo is just a poacher. You keep claiming otherwise but present no reason why so. Most people who praise ronaldo cannot admit that he is just a close range scorer and thats what he has always been for many years now.

He is as one dimensional as one gets. They use he has extremely amazing positioning for tapin etc but all thats just a euphenism to hide his one dimensionalness. A madrid fan even argued that cr7 doesn't pass dribble and create not because he can't but because he doesn't need to which is just a very good example of convinving yourself that cr7 is a very good player and can dribble and create but he doesn't want to. Messi creates in one match what cr7 does in a season, same with dribbles, same with everything else that is not finishing.

Have presented plenty of reasons why. Try reading a bit closer.

You are another that seems very bitter or dont have a clue.

He is a very good player. Easily top ten player of all time and probably a lot higher. Maybe top five.

Messi is best ever and the fact he is better than Ronaldo as good as he is and Messi better is credit to him.

 

[Neymessi]

Have presented plenty of reasons why. Try reading a bit closer.

You are another that seems very bitter or dont have a clue.

He is a very good player. Easily top ten player of all time and probably a lot higher. Maybe top five.

Messi is best ever and the fact he is better than Ronaldo as good as he is and Messi better is credit to him.

Nope I am defnitely not bitter. He is nowhere near top 5 and thats an insult to the top 5 who knew much more than just finishing. I can take messi being 2nd behind pele or maradonna because they were actually good footballers who knew a lot more than just finishing but putting ronaldo in top 5 is preposterous.

He has won majority of his bdors by being a poacher. Maybe I haven't been reading closely. Show me your arguments how he is more than just a poacher.

 

[Neymessi]

Ronaldo at MUN as a winger was incredible. He had it all. Dribbling, passing, speed, scoring. Now, he is a scorer and with Benzema next to him, he needs to be, because Benzema is, well Benzema. That said, he was never near Messi in terms of overall influence on his team.

Hopefully he has a shit game tonight.

Benzema has been shit only this season. He has usually been doing the job for a long time now. Its not like he has been a poacher for many years just because of benzema.

 

[JamDav1982]

Nope I am defnitely not bitter. He is nowhere near top 5 and thats an insult to the top 5 who knew much more than just finishing. I can take messi being 2nd behind pele or maradonna because they were actually good footballers who knew a lot more than just finishing but putting ronaldo in top 5 is preposterous.

He has won majority of his bdors by being a poacher. Maybe I haven't been reading closely. Show me your arguments how he is more than just a poacher.

Haha yes he is in top ten and close to top five although wouldnt argue too much on that being a definite if others disgaree.

Much more than a poacher as I said.

Already said my arguments. Again as i said... read closer if you are interested.]

Type of goals scored, the ways he is dangerous the fact he gets plenty of assists more so than other top 'poachers'.

You are just bitter as fuck and keep repeating the same word as if that is an argument

 

[vlad]

Nope I am defnitely not bitter. He is nowhere near top 5 and thats an insult to the top 5 who knew much more than just finishing. I can take messi being 2nd behind pele or maradonna because they were actually good footballers who knew a lot more than just finishing but putting ronaldo in top 5 is preposterous.

He has won majority of his bdors by being a poacher. Maybe I haven't been reading closely. Show me your arguments how he is more than just a poacher.

pele played in joke league, didnt have single minute in europe, and his goals in friendly matches were also counted, you didnt watch him but you dont have problem to put him in top 3 just because you heard he was good or you read his stats, at the same time you dont give a credit to ronaldo who plays on highest level many years and has impressive stats while doing it, understand that if someone is praising ronaldo its does not mean he is near messi´s level, messi is class of his own, but ronaldo is in top 10 players of all time for sure.

 

[Neymessi]

Haha yes he is in top ten and close to top five although wouldnt argue too much on that being a definite if others disgaree.

Much more than a poacher as I said.

Already said my arguments. Again as i said... read closer if you are interested.]

Type of goals scored, the ways he is dangerous the fact he gets plenty of assists more so than other top 'poachers'.

You are just bitter as fuck and keep repeating the same word as if that is an argument

You can copy paste your posts you know that don't you? I didn't see any concrete thing from your side but if you feel you had you can just copy paste it back and don't reply with why can't I do that, I can't find them but you know where they are.

He sticks on the left wing all game waiting to score all the time. Doesn't dribble or create ever. You think I am wrong? Dispute that then. His assists are also something very misleading. He has a good number of assists which may make you think that he may create something but nope.

You are just someone who wants to run the narrative about how non biased you are because even as a barca fan you praise cr7 and fight those biased cunts on barcaforum who hate him according to you. Give me your argument how he is more than a poacher and how he is not one dimensional or just walk on.

I am a DC fan but admit marvel is better at making movies. I am a pacquiao fan but admit mayweather was better even though mayweather has his faults like never taking a fight he thought was risky. I am a nolan fan and think he is the best but I don't hate or think other like speilberg who are compared to him aren't anywhere near him. So you see I ain't biased. If cr7 actually was a great player overall I would have admitted it. But he can't do jack apart from finishing. Good thing to have a great finisher in your team but as an individual footballer he should always be rated by overall gameplay.

pele played in joke league, didnt have single minute in europe, and his goals in friendly matches were also counted, you didnt watch him but you dont have problem to put him in top 3 just because you heard he was good or you read his stats, at the same time you dont give a credit to ronaldo who plays on highest level many years and has impressive stats while doing it, understand that if someone is praising ronaldo its does not mean he is near messi´s level, messi is class of his own, but ronaldo is in top 10 players of all time for sure.

I have seen plenty of him to know he knew how to play and I think you really need to understand what the other person is saying. I am not saying he is not top 10, he is and is near the 10th than 1st but no way top 5 and you say he has impressive stats? And when did I deny that? The problem is that its misleading. The problem is that he is one dimensional. These are my arguments and you haven't addressed shit.

Pele was anyday a better footballer than cr7. He knew much more than scoring and was a much more complete player than cr7. If cr7 was also a complete player and good at other stuff too then I would have had trouble comparing him with pele but not in this case.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

Now, he is a scorer and with Benzema next to him, he needs to be, because Benzema is, well Benzema

I might have to disagree completely. If anyone thinks, Ronaldo had to adapt to overcome the deficiency of Benzema, they need to rethink about it. The main reason Higuain was sold is because he was a target men. Target man should be provided with a winger which Ronaldo can not as well as will not. A team cannot function well with two target men. Do anyone really think Real Madrid still play with Benzema because of his goalscoring? People really undermine the role or Benzema. It's not Benzema is utter shit and Ronaldo ought to come to rescue. Benzema is not at all their target man.

 

[JamDav1982]

Nah wont be copy and pasting anything. Go back and read them.

Your argument is to just repeatedly say 'poacher'... which he isnt. Nor is he one dimensional.

 

[FCBfan22]

I might have to disagree completely. If anyone thinks, Ronaldo had to adapt to overcome the deficiency of Benzema, they need to rethink about it. The main reason Higuain was sold is because he was a target men. Target man should be provided with a winger which Ronaldo can not as well as will not. A team cannot function well with two target man. Do anyone really think Real Madrid still play with Benzema because of his goalscoring? People really undermine the role or Benzema. It's not Benzema is utter shit and Ronaldo ought to come to rescue. Benzema is not at all their target man.

Benzema is great at providing Ronaldo, but shit at scoring. I meant, Ronaldo needs to score, because if he doesn't, noone will.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

Benzema is great at providing Ronaldo, but shit at scoring. I meant, Ronaldo needs to score, because if he doesn't, noone will.

What I'm saying, it's not that Ronaldo's role changed because of Benzema. In fact, the most significant aspect of Benzema's role is so that their team play brings out the best goalscorer in Ronaldo.

In other words, I'm not refuting your claim. I'm saying that RM team is built up in the way that Ronaldo should be the main goalscorer. Because he's at his best when he's the main goalscorer.

 

[Neymessi]

Nah wont be copy and pasting anything. Go back and read them.

Your argument is to just repeatedly say 'poacher'... which he isnt. Nor is he one dimensional.

Another cop out from you. You know better than anyone where your argument is and you can reply but not paste your quotes? Now you can't say its because you can't be arsed because you can be arsed to reply.

 

[Kerrybai]

Well, there you have it. Ronaldo is a more prolific goalscorer at the biggest stage. It's a proven fact.

For me hes still not the better scorer though. The article I posted was interesting but imo these 2 are tied when it comes to scoring goals especially when you consider the national team goals where Ronaldo has just 12 in 34 euro and world cup game. I can't imagine Messi is too much better.

Ronlado has been better in Europe but his goals in Spain has brought just 2 titles in 9 years...anyway these debates can be a bit silly when you consider they have many seasons left to play.

 

[Morten]

What I'm saying, it's not that Ronaldo's role changed because of Benzema. In fact, the most significant aspect of Benzema's role is so that their team play brings out the best goalscorer in Ronaldo.

In other words, I'm not refuting your claim. I'm saying that RM team is built up in the way that Ronaldo should be the main goalscorer. Because he's at his best when he's the main goalscorer.

Again, stats doesnt back that up.
Ronaldo scores at roughly the same rate, with or without Benzema, so we should stop making excuses for Benzema.
Its time to just admit that, no, Benzema not scoring isnt due to some master plan of giving Ronaldo more space, he doesnt score because he sucks as a striker, simple as that.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

Again, stats doesnt back that up.
Ronaldo scores at roughly the same rate, with or without Benzema

Is it possible for you to provide stats of Ronaldo's goals and assists of at least 10 matches in CL knockout stages or El Classico where Benzema doesn't play? We can then analyse with validation. [And provide as much random data as possible without selecting so that our conclusion can be good]. I'm not challenging you, I want evidence so that I might know whether my understanding was wrong.