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JamDav1982

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Looks a red to me. He knows what he is doing.

A yellow is just a cop out and lesser players would walk for it.

Bit of guilt about that decision maybe led to Iran pen which was another poor one.
 

El Gato

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Don't think anybody would blame the ref if he decided either way. Could have been given a red, got away with it and yellow both ways is also fair since players were dueling. Clear as day.
 

Raketa10

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read the messi topic and you'll see idiots in full force. i was being sarcastic anyway, don't get mad for nothing.

Well there will always be a number of people who rate a bigger number of Twitter followers over a clear football ingeniosity but who cares. It’s just internet bullshit in the end.
 

TitoTata

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Something stinks with Cronaldo.

He gets sooo many decisions in his favour then tonight that decision defies belief. Who has ever got a yellow card for a forearm smash to the face ??

Don't even get started how he after appearing to be in sharp decline.... suddenly when it matters ( and at 33 years of age ) seems to have boundless energy stores and looks faster and stronger than ever before ..
 

Morten

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Call me biased, but that doesnt look like a red at all.
His arms shouldnt be there, but i dont see any malicious intent, looks like he simply tries to get past him.
I have seen Ronaldo get away with proper red card "challenges", this isnt one of them.
 

Raketa10

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Call me biased, but that doesnt look like a red at all.
His arms shouldnt be there, but i dont see any malicious intent, looks like he simply tries to get past him.
I have seen Ronaldo get away with proper red card "challenges", this isnt one of them.

You are biased. Morten come on! He tried to hit him with his elbow, clear as a day.
 

dakt

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I don't care about that red card, but that people really think he is up there with Messi. Please, someone convince me that he is. I just don't see it. I try really hard, but just that lack of football abilities is poking my eyes. Please another penaldo and a lucky score and he's back. This is all that is required from him. All. If that doesn't happen, no one really cares. He is Ronaldo.
 

Raketa10

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I don't care about that red card, but that people really think he is up there with Messi. Please, someone convince me that he is. I just don't see it. I try really hard, but just that lack of football abilities is poking my eyes. Please another penaldo and a lucky score and he's back. This is all that is required from him. All. If that doesn't happen, no one really cares. He is Ronaldo.

Dakt of course he is not up there with Messi but he has much stronger PR team and half of his followers don’t even watch football these days. 90% of football experts and former players will always choose Messi and that’s the most relevant thing. The most funny thing is that some people say he is better scorer while even in that category he is worse than Messi, and in every other he is not even close. No one with healthy pair of eyes and basic football knowledge can seriously compare those two.
 
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Morten

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Football is so black and white these days, not much seperates between being "goat" or "fraud", especially with Ronaldo and Messi i feel.
I mean, two bad matches for Messi in a dysfunctional team and he is "past it", the case isnt much different with Ronaldo after a bad game in an important match.
This is not a comparison between them as players, just that so many are way too reactionary, not this board in particular, but in general. Its tiresome, tbh.
 

Givenchy

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Football is so black and white these days, not much seperates between being "goat" or "fraud", especially with Ronaldo and Messi i feel.
I mean, two bad matches for Messi in a dysfunctional team and he is "past it", the case isnt much different with Ronaldo after a bad game in an important match.
This is not a comparison between them as players, just that so many are way too reactionary, not this board in particular, but in general. Its tiresome, tbh.

tbh we haven't had 2 GOAT contenders this close in a single generation before but yeah this is why we should wait for them both to retire, THEN we will have a clearer picture. the flip-flop between both sets of fans is so ridiculous i dont even get into debates anymore outside of this forum
 

dakt

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I wouldn't mind acknowledging Ronaldo to be better player, but I just can't see it. Player has to be exciting to watch, you have to drool just by watching him move and do smart or impossible stuff. Ronaldo was never like that. Even in Manchester days his abilities were never nowhere near the likes of Ronaldinho, fat Ronaldo, Maradona, Messi, Neymar, etc.
I don't have problem admitting that he's far more hard working than any of them and scores a lot of goals, but that alone doesn't make the player great. He has to have unordinary abilities in every department, passing the ball, vision, dribbling and goal scoring if he's playing in such a position. Ronaldo is great in only one of these, Messi is in ALL. For fuck sake if people don't see that...ALL OF THESE. This is what is insane and out of ordinary. Trophies are by a huge margin depended on in which team you play, who is coaching it and of course -- luck --. If de Gea wasn't clumsy in that game against Portugal we wouldn't talk about this crap at all. Had that Iranian player scored a goal in dying minutes Portugal would be sent home, etc.
Yes Messi was bad in the match against Croatia, but even if he was on top of his form with that squad and coach it's unrealistic to expect anything from him. I said that even before WC started. I don't believe in theory that he must "carry" the whole team to glory. No one can, nor no one has. Even Maradona (let me see the "hand of God" with VAR). Team is NO#1 priority and the best team, the one that has best chemistry and abilities combined has the greatest chance to win the WC, not the one which has the best player. But even such a team, if it's out of luck, will be sent home. Especially in knockout stages, anything is possible.
 
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