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[Morten]

I mean he does get a lot of penalties. Can't remember anyone else getting so many penalties, heck the name: Penaldo.

Is this delusion from me or not?? How many penalties Messi has had compared to Ronaldo?? In Copa America you have to murder a guy to get penalty compared to Europe.

Ronaldo does have more penalties, but i mean, when you play over 1000 games, most of them for top teams, thats part of the reason.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Ronaldo does have more penalties, but i mean, when you play over 1000 games, most of them for top teams, thats part of the reason.

Of course. Messi and Ronaldo probably has the most penalties taken out of good players by far(during their career or even historically). I assume.

 

[Blackened]

He cannot dribble, cannot pass, has a poor touch, screws up attack, yet... He scores penalties and tap-ins.

 

[BBZ8800]

Is this delusion from me or not?? How many penalties Messi has had compared to Ronaldo?? In Copa America you have to murder a guy to get penalty compared to Europe.

It's hard to get a penalty when you spend 90% of a match dropping to a pivot/cm position, trying to dribble past 3-4 players far from the box and assisting your teammates.

Ronaldo is, on the other hand, on a receiving end of crosses all the time and he is lurking inside of a box whenever his team has the ball.

Cr7's game is smarter in this way since he is closer to a goal/shots/penaldos.

Ronaldo always played in a way that can bring maximum efficiency with less effort/less quality.
While Messi is ruining his talent/energy/efficiency on ineffective and pointless situations of dropping too deep, dribbling past 3-4 defenders and playing 1-2s far away from a goal.
And playing through the crowded middle all the time, while Ronaldo is escaping towards wings and trying to get into the box as often as possible.

 

[mc_lovin]

No point for Messi to just stay in the box like Ronaldo. Different types of players.

To the game yesterday: I thought the first half was the best Ronaldo we have seen in ages. Second half was atrocious though, he could barely hold the ball.

 

[Rory]

It's hard to get a penalty when you spend 90% of a match dropping to a pivot/cm position, trying to dribble past 3-4 players far from the box and assisting your teammates.

Ronaldo is, on the other hand, on a receiving end of crosses all the time and he is lurking inside of a box whenever his team has the ball.

Cr7's game is smarter in this way since he is closer to a goal/shots/penaldos.

Ronaldo always played in a way that can bring maximum efficiency with less effort/less quality.
While Messi is ruining his talent/energy/efficiency on ineffective and pointless situations of dropping too deep, dribbling past 3-4 defenders and playing 1-2s far away from a goal.
And playing through the crowded middle all the time, while Ronaldo is escaping towards wings and trying to get into the box as often as possible.

Correct me if I’m wrong but Ronaldo hasn’t earned a single penalty this Euros right? So not really relevant what you’re saying.

 

[Andresito]

It's hard to get a penalty when you spend 90% of a match dropping to a pivot/cm position, trying to dribble past 3-4 players far from the box and assisting your teammates.

Ronaldo is, on the other hand, on a receiving end of crosses all the time and he is lurking inside of a box whenever his team has the ball.

Cr7's game is smarter in this way since he is closer to a goal/shots/penaldos.

Ronaldo always played in a way that can bring maximum efficiency with less effort/less quality.
While Messi is ruining his talent/energy/efficiency on ineffective and pointless situations of dropping too deep, dribbling past 3-4 defenders and playing 1-2s far away from a goal.
And playing through the crowded middle all the time, while Ronaldo is escaping towards wings and trying to get into the box as often as possible.

What are you suggesting? Messi is the best dribbler and the best playmaker. He should just poach like CR?

 

[malvolio]

What are you suggesting? Messi is the best dribbler and the best playmaker. He should just poach like CR?

yeah, messi should just stop doing the things he is great at in order to turn into pippo inzaghi. messi haters/ronaldo worshipers logic 101 right here.

 

[BBZ8800]

What are you suggesting? Messi is the best dribbler and the best playmaker. He should just poach like CR?

The original question by FinBarcelona fan was why Cr7 gets more penalties than Messi.

My answer was: because he is more in the box and more likely to get fouled.
[MENTION=21761]Rory[/MENTION] he wasn't fouled on this tournament, I am talking in general.

Also, I don't understand why other guys are so upset.
Cr7 is an attacker, not playmaker.
He is more likely to get into more chances/get more often in the box than Messi.

And I just have to add: Messi's dropping deep part of the game is illogical.
And it has nothing to do with a bad midfield.
Just Messi doing so because he wants to be on the ball all the time.
And then he is far from the box and thus hurting himself, his team, his goal tally and a number of trophies.

 

[malvolio]

And I just have to add: Messi's dropping deep part of the game is illogical.
And it has nothing to do with a bad midfield.
Just Messi doing so because he wants to be on the ball all the time.
And then he is far from the box and thus hurting himself, his team, his goal tally and a number of trophies.

it kind of has when midfield doesn't create much + messi's game was always going the route of no 10/playmaker instead of a poacher. even in his youth many were saying he would evolve into a playmaker at the end of his career.

also, messi is not the kind of player to be a poacher/ST. he doesn't have the physical traits and he's nearing the end of his career.

PS: does CR get more penalties himself by being fouled or it's just that he takes every penalty for country or NT?

 

[Messi983]

But Messi alone isn't the only one responsible to earn penalties in his team and neither is Ronaldo. Football is a team game. I think instead of focusing on the individual differences between Messi and CR playing style (which we're all aware of) we should look at the way their teams are playing. Barca is often just passing the ball around the box while RM (when CR was there and even now) are crossing into the box, taking long distance shots etc which all improves their odds to get a random push inside the box or a defender playing with his hands,...

But then again, don't think there was that big difference between number of penalties Barca and RM have earned over the years despite different playing style.

Here is a quick comparision from Ronaldo's last three years at Madrid (don't think it makes much sense comparing his stats for Juve playing in a different league)

Penalties in La Liga from 2015-16 to 2017-18

Ronaldo: 15/21
Messi: 11/18

Messi has also given some pens away to Neymar and Suarez so we probably even had more total penalties in that time span.

But this is not really that relevant to your point. It would be better if we'd have stats about how many penalties both Messi and Cristiano have earned by themselves. Don't really know where to find those stats though. I know some sites are counting earned penalties as assists (which doesn't make much sense if a player who earns a pen then also takes it) and I'm too lazy to get into a more detailed analysis in this heat but if someone can provide a good source then I'd be interested in that.

 

[raskolnikov]

But Messi alone isn't the only one responsible to earn penalties in his team and neither is Ronaldo. Football is a team game. I think instead of focusing on the individual differences between Messi and CR playing style (which we're all aware of) we should look at the way their teams are playing. Barca is often just passing the ball around the box while RM (when CR was there and even now) are crossing into the box, taking long distance shots etc which all improves their odds to get a random push inside the box or a defender playing with his hands,...

But then again, don't think there was that big difference between number of penalties Barca and RM have earned over the years despite different playing style.

Here is a quick comparision from Ronaldo's last three years at Madrid (don't think it makes much sense comparing his stats for Juve playing in a different league)

Penalties in La Liga from 2015-16 to 2017-18

Ronaldo: 15/21
Messi: 11/18

Messi has also given some pens away to Neymar and Suarez so we probably even had more total penalties in that time span.

But this is not really that relevant to your point. It would be better if we'd have stats about how many penalties both Messi and Cristiano have earned by themselves. Don't really know where to find those stats though. I know some sites are counting earned penalties as assists (which doesn't make much sense if a player who earns a pen then also takes it) and I'm too lazy to get into a more detailed analysis in this heat but if someone can provide a good source then I'd be interested in that.

Ever since Neymar left and definitly in his overall period in la liga Madrid have gotten more penalties than us.
Mainly due to madridista refs.

 

[Jadentheman]

Neymar is a foul magnet due to his playstyle. Combined with Barca's high possession rate, it was no wonder.

 

[fcb2000]

I mean he does get a lot of penalties. Can't remember anyone else getting so many penalties, heck the name: Penaldo.

Is this delusion from me or not?? How many penalties Messi has had compared to Ronaldo?? In Copa America you have to murder a guy to get penalty compared to Europe.

Messi actually has more penalties (17) for his national team than Ronaldo (14).

 

[fcb2000]

He cannot dribble, cannot pass, has a poor touch, screws up attack, yet... He scores penalties and tap-ins.

Hes not the player he used to be but this is just hyperbole. His touch is still excellent and hes still a competent passer (obviously not a world class playmaker). Hes been Portugals best attacker this tournament while others like Jota and Fernandes have been crap. Hes got one of the highest average match ratings in the tournament.