footyfan
Calma, calma
He doesn't need a million shots to score either, that's just something people would say just looking at the stats as they exist now. Majority of his useless shots come from long range, his in-the-box finishing is great, whether it be with his feet or his head.
His movement is world class and gets him a lot of goals, look at this goal for example:
Look at where he starts his run, there was no one in the box but defenders but they still got a goal out of it, props to Isco for the sexy cross.
His movement is world class and gets him a lot of goals, look at this goal for example:
Look at where he starts his run, there was no one in the box but defenders but they still got a goal out of it, props to Isco for the sexy cross.
jamrock
Senior Member
he does need a million shots to score no arguing that bit, even if its long range shot its still a shot, he is no natural goalscorer, he plays the averages, takes alot of shots and always puts the shot where statistically its more likely to go in, so he will more often times than not put it to the far post, where a natural goal score may shut chip it, put it to the near post ext.
his goal scoring is all down to averages, still top 25 though
his goal scoring is all down to averages, still top 25 though
Neal Faradinho
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Penaldo
raskolnikov
Well-known member
Which means he is very selfish and obsessed with stats.
Cristiano has been a great player, but he has had his shortcomings. For much of his career he's been a flat track bully. This was true at United and his first couple of seasons at Madrid where he would flop in most big games. Last couple of seasons he has improved in that aspect and found consistency in Clasicos and Champions League.
However his international career is pretty unspectacular. In fact it is this that shows how Xavi and Iniesta are both superior to him. Without Messi those two have been the engine behind possibly the best international team of all time. Just like how playing with Messi they have created possibly the best club team of all time. In that sense, it is not Cristiano who suffers by the presence of Messi, but Iniesta and Xavi who would likely have been sharing Balon D'ors after their World and Euro wins(as well as any success they would have had with Barca).
His goalscoring instincts are at a fantastic level but he's never really been a dominant player nor one that really captures the imagination. He spends long periods of games doing nothing and then popping up with a goal. Contrast that with the likes of Messi, Mattheus, Laudrup, Xavi etc who would run games and consistently pose a threat. Or the players that have performed in big games like Maradona, Eto'o or Zidane. Consider the real Ronaldo and his classic performance against Man U.
He won three leagues with Man U who were the dominant team in England since the 90s. The one Champions League victory was through a penalty shootout(in which he missed). Then he went to Madrid, the richest club in the world and has had one solitary league victory. That was an underachievement for him. He's been unremarkable with Portugal. If he played for Wales or Southampton that would be fine, but he's played for big teams and he's not really been a winner. Someone that you can rely on and turn to when it really matters.
With Messi entering his prime and Neymar hitting the scene as well, I expect Cristiano to fade even further. I don't see Portugal being a force in a South American world cup. I also don't see Madrid competing with the likes of Bayern and Dortmund for the Champions League. History will probably be less kind to him than it should be. In 10 or 20 years time when people see the dominance of Spain, of Messi winning 4+ Balon D'ors in a row as well as 3+ Champions Leagues and breaking all the goalscoring records, Cristiano will be mostly a non-story.
However his international career is pretty unspectacular. In fact it is this that shows how Xavi and Iniesta are both superior to him. Without Messi those two have been the engine behind possibly the best international team of all time. Just like how playing with Messi they have created possibly the best club team of all time. In that sense, it is not Cristiano who suffers by the presence of Messi, but Iniesta and Xavi who would likely have been sharing Balon D'ors after their World and Euro wins(as well as any success they would have had with Barca).
His goalscoring instincts are at a fantastic level but he's never really been a dominant player nor one that really captures the imagination. He spends long periods of games doing nothing and then popping up with a goal. Contrast that with the likes of Messi, Mattheus, Laudrup, Xavi etc who would run games and consistently pose a threat. Or the players that have performed in big games like Maradona, Eto'o or Zidane. Consider the real Ronaldo and his classic performance against Man U.
He won three leagues with Man U who were the dominant team in England since the 90s. The one Champions League victory was through a penalty shootout(in which he missed). Then he went to Madrid, the richest club in the world and has had one solitary league victory. That was an underachievement for him. He's been unremarkable with Portugal. If he played for Wales or Southampton that would be fine, but he's played for big teams and he's not really been a winner. Someone that you can rely on and turn to when it really matters.
With Messi entering his prime and Neymar hitting the scene as well, I expect Cristiano to fade even further. I don't see Portugal being a force in a South American world cup. I also don't see Madrid competing with the likes of Bayern and Dortmund for the Champions League. History will probably be less kind to him than it should be. In 10 or 20 years time when people see the dominance of Spain, of Messi winning 4+ Balon D'ors in a row as well as 3+ Champions Leagues and breaking all the goalscoring records, Cristiano will be mostly a non-story.
Beast
The Observer
Because Messi was storming the world cup without them ?
You do see the contradiction here , you blame CR for not doing everything on his own while Messi with Argentina was worse the Portugal in the last several years...
At least
CR still had a 4th spot with Portugal in 2006 , round of 16 in 2010 (worst Portuguese team ever with the worst national team manager ) Euro 2nd place in 2004, round of 16 in 2008 and semi-final in 2012 (where he was playing with duds around him )
now compare that to Messi with Argentina where his team mates are by far much better than Cristiano
round of 16 in the 2006 WC , second spot in 2007 Copa America (was only Brazil worth beating back than let's face it , it's nowhere near the Euro )
1/8 in 2010 WC , 1/8 in Copa 2011 that's it on the senior level
So while no one will argue Messi brilliance with Barcelona when you talk about CR International career in comparison , he had a much better career so far than Messi and that's without the support case of Di Maria , Aguero , Higuain , Macherano , Cambiasso etc who are all much better than anything CR had since Rui Costa and Figo retired
MagIX
Senior Member
CR much better career than Messi ? ROFLMAO
You mention WC 2006.... Messi was injured for more than two months (he also missed the CL final) however he has been called for the WC, but he played only some minutes in this WC !
You mention WC 2010.... Maradona coach, best player ever but for sure worse coach ever, simply a joke ! But anyway, dispite that, Messi was in the list of the WC 10 best players with: Asamoah (Ghana), Iniesta, Xavi, Villa, Oezil, Robben, Schweinsteiger, Sneijder, Villa and the winner Furlan.
Without mentioning that Messi already won the WC Under 20 (as did Maradona), winning the Golden Shoe (topscorer) and the Golden Ball (best player). And without mentioning the Olympic Gold 2008.
You mention WC 2006.... Messi was injured for more than two months (he also missed the CL final) however he has been called for the WC, but he played only some minutes in this WC !
You mention WC 2010.... Maradona coach, best player ever but for sure worse coach ever, simply a joke ! But anyway, dispite that, Messi was in the list of the WC 10 best players with: Asamoah (Ghana), Iniesta, Xavi, Villa, Oezil, Robben, Schweinsteiger, Sneijder, Villa and the winner Furlan.
Without mentioning that Messi already won the WC Under 20 (as did Maradona), winning the Golden Shoe (topscorer) and the Golden Ball (best player). And without mentioning the Olympic Gold 2008.
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Beast
The Observer
Under 20 means nothing... neither is the Olympics... it's a know fact ... we didn't see Nigeria win the WC after winning the 96 Olympics gold medal did we ? nor did Cameroon the following Olympics nor did Messi pull anything with his National first team TILL NOW and that despite the fact that Argentina did win two consecutive gold medals in 2004 before Messi & 2008
As for the under 20 guess what ? Argentina won 5 under 20 world cups in the last 20 years & zero on the National team level... not even a semi-final spot....
That's how far winning the WC under 20 indicate on the senior level... any team can win on this level .. few can compete on the senior national level
& you mention Maradona... as if Carlos Queiroz isn't a worst manager...
CR did a lot more with his tiny nation national team , that's beyond debate... it takes nothing from Messi as a player or his heroics with Barcelona but on the national front CR is way ahead in everything ...
As for the under 20 guess what ? Argentina won 5 under 20 world cups in the last 20 years & zero on the National team level... not even a semi-final spot....
That's how far winning the WC under 20 indicate on the senior level... any team can win on this level .. few can compete on the senior national level
& you mention Maradona... as if Carlos Queiroz isn't a worst manager...
CR did a lot more with his tiny nation national team , that's beyond debate... it takes nothing from Messi as a player or his heroics with Barcelona but on the national front CR is way ahead in everything ...
Beast
The Observer
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