Cristiano Ronaldo - v1

[coura]

CR did a lot more with his tiny nation national team , that's beyond debate... it takes nothing from Messi as a player or his heroics with Barcelona but on the national front CR is way ahead in everything ...

I am portuguese and you don´t know shit. Damn, you´re annoying.

 

[Cule4life]

CR did a lot more with his tiny nation national team , that's beyond debate... it takes nothing from Messi as a player or his heroics with Barcelona but on the national front CR is way ahead in everything ...

My God

 

[Galning]

Things I've learnt: U21 World Cup means nothing, same with the Olympics... because it's a well known fact.

 

[coura]

Tristiano didn´t win the golden foot. LOL
Hey, messi is 26. 3 more years and it´s over.

 

[DonAK]

Cmon Beast... That's just BS.

How on earth have Cristiano done better than Messi for his national team?

And on Argentina's top players, then have they ever had a stable manager? You can have the best squad, but the wrong coach will absolutely destroy it and that's exactly what happened with their former managers on helm.

The results are getting much better now as you can witness by the friendlies and qualifier matches where Messi have been the standout player for Argentina and have shown his brilliance, solo goal moments and playmaking. Top, top class stuff. Without Messi Argentina have struggled so he has a big influence on the team and their game.

 

[DonAK]

Talking about Ronaldo and RM then I think he learned the fergie time secret by Sir Alex before leaving hence all these late time goals and penalties.

Clever Cristiano, Very Clever.

 

[El Gato]

Christo... On one hand you have youngsters World Cup where fucking Morocco and Costa Rica get to semifinals and on the other you have Olympics tournament where winners include Nigeria, Cameroon, Mexico and others like South Korea get far, AND no European gives a fuck about it because of the European Championship that happens a month before it... Can't even win Copa America for their life either...

And on the other hand you have Cristiano's Portugal with whom he got to semifinals in the last 4 out of 5 European and World tournaments.

Comparing success of both teams on international stage is pointless. Portugal has a far better record there if you're looking at the time since both players have been around.

 

[numero]

Because Messi was storming the world cup without them ?
You do see the contradiction here , you blame CR for not doing everything on his own while Messi with Argentina was worse the Portugal in the last several years...
At least
CR still had a 4th spot with Portugal in 2006 , round of 16 in 2010 (worst Portuguese team ever with the worst national team manager ) Euro 2nd place in 2004, round of 16 in 2008 and semi-final in 2012 (where he was playing with duds around him )
now compare that to Messi with Argentina where his team mates are by far much better than Cristiano
round of 16 in the 2006 WC , second spot in 2007 Copa America (was only Brazil worth beating back than let's face it , it's nowhere near the Euro )
1/8 in 2010 WC , 1/8 in Copa 2011 that's it on the senior level

So while no one will argue Messi brilliance with Barcelona when you talk about CR International career in comparison , he had a much better career so far than Messi and that's without the support case of Di Maria , Aguero , Higuain , Macherano , Cambiasso etc who are all much better than anything CR had since Rui Costa and Figo retired

omg insane...

its crystal clear mourinho has literally taken a toll on madridistas' brains...my gawd...im in tears.....hilarious post...

 

[Luftstalag14]

Cristiano has been a great player, but he has had his shortcomings. For much of his career he's been a flat track bully. This was true at United and his first couple of seasons at Madrid where he would flop in most big games. Last couple of seasons he has improved in that aspect and found consistency in Clasicos and Champions League.

However his international career is pretty unspectacular. In fact it is this that shows how Xavi and Iniesta are both superior to him. Without Messi those two have been the engine behind possibly the best international team of all time. Just like how playing with Messi they have created possibly the best club team of all time. In that sense, it is not Cristiano who suffers by the presence of Messi, but Iniesta and Xavi who would likely have been sharing Balon D'ors after their World and Euro wins(as well as any success they would have had with Barca).

His goalscoring instincts are at a fantastic level but he's never really been a dominant player nor one that really captures the imagination. He spends long periods of games doing nothing and then popping up with a goal. Contrast that with the likes of Messi, Mattheus, Laudrup, Xavi etc who would run games and consistently pose a threat. Or the players that have performed in big games like Maradona, Eto'o or Zidane. Consider the real Ronaldo and his classic performance against Man U.

He won three leagues with Man U who were the dominant team in England since the 90s. The one Champions League victory was through a penalty shootout(in which he missed). Then he went to Madrid, the richest club in the world and has had one solitary league victory. That was an underachievement for him. He's been unremarkable with Portugal. If he played for Wales or Southampton that would be fine, but he's played for big teams and he's not really been a winner. Someone that you can rely on and turn to when it really matters.

With Messi entering his prime and Neymar hitting the scene as well, I expect Cristiano to fade even further. I don't see Portugal being a force in a South American world cup. I also don't see Madrid competing with the likes of Bayern and Dortmund for the Champions League. History will probably be less kind to him than it should be. In 10 or 20 years time when people see the dominance of Spain, of Messi winning 4+ Balon D'ors in a row as well as 3+ Champions Leagues and breaking all the goalscoring records, Cristiano will be mostly a non-story.

That's a bit too harsh, isn't it?

Even as a big Messi fanboy, I would consider this "..CR7 has never really been a dominant player nor one that really captures the imagination" unfair. CR7 might not be on the same caliber with Messi, but to say that he has never been a dominant player is going too far against reality. Of course he is, to suggest otherwise is utterly in denial, I think. Also, to accuse CR7 of "spending long periods of games doing nothing and then popping up with a goal" is not fair either. Sure both he and Messi have had bad games where they disappeared, but CR7 is constantly trying, running and shooting. People laugh at him for going for the sky or his prolific shooting attempts, but the guy is always trying, you have to give that to him.

He is not as talented as Messi. He is not as creative as Messi. His impact on the team he is playing for is nowhere as big as Messi's. But that doesn't take away the fact that he is a dominant, hard-working (probably mostly for his ego and pride, but nevertheless) and great player. Non-story in 10 or 20 years? I don't think so.

And again, this is from a huge Messi fanboy who is not shy of admitting it. :barca scarf:

 

[Beast]

Cmon Beast... That's just BS.

How on earth have Cristiano done better than Messi for his national team?

And on Argentina's top players, then have they ever had a stable manager? You can have the best squad, but the wrong coach will absolutely destroy it and that's exactly what happened with their former managers on helm.

The results are getting much better now as you can witness by the friendlies and qualifier matches where Messi have been the standout player for Argentina and have shown his brilliance, solo goal moments and playmaking. Top, top class stuff. Without Messi Argentina have struggled so he has a big influence on the team and their game.

Did Portugal ? apart from Scolari they haven't and you can argue about Jose Peckerman who is a great coach
Bento is doing ok but nothing to scream about , on the other hand you have Peckerman , Coco , Batista and now Sabella ...all of them are better than Bento as managers who's only highlight was winning a cup with Sporting
results getting better in friendlies and qualifiers ? have you seen Holland record in friendlies and qualifiers ?
At the end the crunch time is the tournaments itself and CR despite being less talented than Messi has produced with his national team compared to Messi despite the fuck up Scolari did by giving him the Captain armband

I am portuguese and you don´t know shit. Damn, you´re annoying.

It's not my problem to deal with your IQ.... Portugal NT team have produced much better results that's something no one can debate ... if you like to debate it please provide me proof that i missed Argentina winning anything or reaching their height with Messi on board as i demonstrated with Portugal record for the National team...

 

[Leo10]

This international debate will be soon over when Tristianos Portugal doesn't qualify for the World Cup and after Argentina wins the 2014 WC in Brazil.

 

[barca1899]

This international debate will be soon over when Tristianos Portugal doesn't qualify for the World Cup and after Argentina wins the 2014 WC in Brazil.

 

[Yugi]

 

[MagIX]

For RM and CR fans it is a fact that WC Under 20 and Olympic Gold means nothing simply because Messi won both and not CR.
CR not even in his younger years could win something with Portugal, exatley the opposite of Messi, who won the WC Under 20 and Olypmic Games. Messi much better than CR.

EC (for CR) and Copa America (for Messi).

In their first attendance both players reached the final: Argentina lost vs Brasil and Portugal lost vs Greece(!!!).
Messi nominated Copa América Young Player of the Tournament (i think same for CR of the EC)
Take a look at this goal of Messi vs Mexico:

In theier second attendance both players out in the 1/4 final: Argentina vs Urugauy (the winner of the CA 2011) and Portugal vs Germany.

The third attendance for CR is semifinal. For Messi we have to wait the next CA 2015.


WORLD CUP

WC 2006: Messi played little more than 90 minutes (1 goal, 1 assist), difficult to judge.
Portugal reached the semi-final.
Shortist of the Best 10 WC players: MANICHE (PORTUGAL), Ballack, Zambrotta, Pirlo, Buffon, Cannavaro, Viera, Thierry Henry, Klose and the winner Zidane.

WC 2010: the really first WC for Messi.
Portugal out 1/8 finals vs Spain, Argentina out 1/4 finals Vs Germany.
Shortlist of the Best 10 WC players: MESSI (ARGENTINA), Asamoah, Iniesta, Xavi, Villa, Oezil, Robben, Schweinsteiger, Sneijder and the winner Forlan.

CR much better career than Messi ? and again ROTFLMAO !!!!!

 

[Aryagorn]

For RM and CR fans it is a fact that WC Under 20 and Olympic Gold means nothing simply because Messi won both and not CR.
CR not even in his younger years could win something with Portugal, exatley the opposite of Messi, who won the WC Under 20 and Olypmic Games. Messi much better than CR.

EC (for CR) and Copa America (for Messi).

In their first attendance both players reached the final: Argentina lost vs Brasil and Portugal lost vs Greece(!!!).
Messi nominated Copa América Young Player of the Tournament (i think same for CR of the EC)
Take a look at this goal of Messi vs Mexico:

In theier second attendance both players out in the 1/4 final: Argentina vs Urugauy (the winner of the CA 2011) and Portugal vs Germany.

The third attendance for CR is semifinal. For Messi we have to wait the next CA 2015.


WORLD CUP

WC 2006: Messi played little more than 90 minutes (1 goal, 1 assist), difficult to judge.
Portugal reached the semi-final.
Shortist of the Best 10 WC players: MANICHE (PORTUGAL), Ballack, Zambrotta, Pirlo, Buffon, Cannavaro, Viera, Thierry Henry, Klose and the winner Zidane.

WC 2010: the really first WC for Messi.
Portugal out 1/8 finals vs Spain, Argentina out 1/4 finals Vs Germany.
Shortlist of the Best 10 WC players: MESSI (ARGENTINA), Asamoah, Iniesta, Xavi, Villa, Oezil, Robben, Schweinsteiger, Sneijder and the winner Forlan.

CR much better career than Messi ? and again ROTFLMAO !!!!!

And so he rests the case