Cristiano Ronaldo - v1

[dakt]

The problem I have is that some Barca fans want to act like Ronaldo is average or overrated, and in comparison to Messi he is simply awful. He seems a bit full of himself but it's time to start admitting that across two of the greatest teams ever he's realised his amazing talent. Imagine if Ronaldinho had half of his mental strength? Or Adriano?

Of course he's far away from average, but overrated, yes. I will never understand peoples obsession to prove that he's better then Messi. Yeah, you can compare him to Falcao, Bale, Suarez, etc..but Messi is something else.
Ronaldo can have better season or stat then Messi, but will never be a better FOOTBALLER. More efficient at times? Sure! But footballer, never. He just cannot do what Messi can, no matter how hard he or anyone else tries.
So I dare to say that in fact Messi is underrated. Messi doesn't have that large supporting camp like Ronaldo does...and for fuk sake I'm not sure why??? How can people be so blind to such talent that will go away one day!?
Most of the people really think that Ronaldo is better player! For fuk sake.I don't see many guarantees that I will ever see another like Messi, but Ronaldos will come for sure.
About Ronaldo's mental strength...it's mostly ego driven, he worships his picture and vision as best ever. He's blind and dumb enough to refuse a reality of what Messi does and what Messi is. Not once did he congratulate him, and I cannot see any greatness coming from such behaviour. Wisdom is to recognize and acknowledge someones else greatness and talent...Ronaldo will never accept that. That's not mental strength, but just being dumb and ignorate.

 

[DB10]

What a goal. #CLUTCH

 

[raedkuwait]

The system ronaldo playes under is much more easy to make him look good , almost every team park the bus against barca while they never do that against madrid, ronaldo have ton of space to work with if messi had this much space he will shred every team apart

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[Cule4life]

The system ronaldo playes under is much more easy to make him look good , almost every team park the bus against barca while they never do that against madrid, ronaldo have ton of space to work with if messi had this much space he will shred every team apart

Im tired of this argument. Teams park the bus against us because we allow them to. We keep possession for possessions sake rather then trying to make the game end to end to draw them out. Madrid dont allow teams to park the bus because they play end to end football and try more risky passes and counter with speed unlike us when we slow down counter opportunities and pass sideways allowing our opponents to get back into defensive shape.

 

[footyfan]

The system ronaldo playes under is much more easy to make him look good , almost every team park the bus against barca while they never do that against madrid, ronaldo have ton of space to work with if messi had this much space he will shred every team apart

Yeah he would undoubtedly struggle more against parked buses, any player in the world would.

But consider the flip side of the argument, Messi would "struggle" just as much if he only got as many touches of the ball as Ronaldo. This is the trouble I have with Messi fans (or should I say fanboys - I'm a big Messi fan myself), they only look at stats that are naturally biased towards Messi (like dribbles, touches, key passes - not aerial duels won, clearances at corners, positioning, movement) or only use arguments when it suits them. Now fans are using the goals+assists per game ratio, but nobody remembers that Ronaldo had a better goals+assists per game ratio in 2009/10 (personally the season I enjoyed Messi the most). People are using the "he only plays better because he's on a better team which suits his game" argument but they never thought about that when Messi played for one of the greatest teams of all time, with players who play the exact same way since they were 11 and who provide him with the ball 100 times per game consistently. Ultimately what you've got to see is what each player brings to their team and realistically speaking, that is very subjective and depends a lot on the person's own experience as a spectator and maybe even as a football player himself.

Talent wise and aesthetically speaking, Messi blows Ronaldo out of the water. That is more than enough for a lot of people to consider him the far better player. Some others, they like the player who keeps trying every single game despite being second best for 4 years. That is something (along with a 100 million transfer fee) that can crush most players. I feel, from personal experience, that these people want to believe that the extra hard work and dedication can bridge the gaps. It's hard for them to accept that there is someone you just can't beat no matter what you do, which is why they root for the underdog. Again, speaking just from personal experience. I'm obviously not talking about the Ronaldo fanboys, the only breed more annoying than the Messi fanboys.

 

[onzeXI]

I wonder if anybody ever changed their mind about who was a better player after reading this thread.

 

[voodoomaster]

Messi been decisive in one game out of eight against Real and Atletico.

Ronaldo has more goals and assists than him in these games.

Fair enough if you think Messi has been better but not for me.

Nice try. You claimed Ronaldo was a key in the biggest matches, I Disagreed and claimed that he hasnt been that important at all. I didnt say ONE Word about messi. Strawman bitch

 

[Kinlejus]

Nice try. You claimed Ronaldo was a key in the biggest matches, I Disagreed and claimed that he hasnt been that important at all. I didnt say ONE Word about messi. Strawman bitch

For the sake of an argument, refer to Borussia 2nd leg fixture and Semifinal's 2nd leg, now compare how they fared with him being out

 

[NotInHere]

I cannot get tired from saying that the only thing that keeps these two really close to each other, is Ronaldos work ethic and talent, its more about his work ethic because we all know Leo blows him out of the water in terms of talent, he could have easily accepted being second to Leo, seeing that the talent between them is uneven and scales towards Leo, but he keeps on working hard to outdo him

These are the people you have admire

 

[voodoomaster]

For the sake of an argument, refer to Borussia 2nd leg fixture and Semifinal's 2nd leg, now compare how they fared with him being out

I just Wonder, is that an argument against my claim that Ronaldo hasnt been a key in many of the biggest matches(which obviously is a fact if you have watched them)? As far as I can say your argument is completely irrelevant and isolated it is also pretty weak.

 

[JamDav1982]

Nice try. You claimed Ronaldo was a key in the biggest matches, I Disagreed and claimed that he hasnt been that important at all. I didnt say ONE Word about messi. Strawman bitch

Strawman?

Is is a debate about Ronaldo and Messi and thats what people were comparing.

I will keep it simple for you - has Messi been better than Ronaldo this season?

 

[Cule4life]

Strawman?

Is is a debate about Ronaldo and Messi and thats what people were comparing.

I will keep it simple for you - has Messi been better than Ronaldo this season?

Ignore voodoomaster. Too much voodoo has affected his reasoning

 

[voodoomaster]

Strawman?

Is is a debate about Ronaldo and Messi and thats what people were comparing.

I will keep it simple for you - has Messi been better than Ronaldo this season?

Of course the general context is a ronaldo/messi comparison, but Its perfectly legitimate to Take one claim in
Your post(Ronaldo has been a key in the biggest matches) and argue against it, WITHOUT bringing messi into the picture. In my opinion your statement is false, and because of that it cant support the general conclusion/point you are trying to make. You can of course have other claims that are perfectly fine and support the conclusion, but this one in particular I Will argue.

If you also want to discuss messi/ron 2013/14 thats ok. Ronaldo has quite obviously been the better one, but in 2014 the difference hasnt been very huge. If any.

My general position is that under normal circumstancies, or ideal if you like, messi is a way better player than ronaldo. The latter simply lacks messis talent

 

[voodoomaster]

Ignore voodoomaster. Too much voodoo has affected his reasoning

How perfectly ironic. You would like others to ignore me because my reasoning is "affected", and you dont use reasoning yourself to Reach that "conclusion", you simply claim it.

 

[ammarfcb]

dear 2 ronal-do