Cristiano Ronaldo - v1

[Los Blancos]

I've noticed they've stopped doing that now. A very interesting development.

Although there are still people talking about Messi 2012.

Messi 2012 was an unimaginable event which should be cherished forever, because it was such a sick year and achievment. It shouldn't be used to measure Messi's decline, hunger for success, priorities..... etc. And there are still several factors like injuries to take in to account as well.

I think people take what he did back then way too lightly and think it should be easy for Messi to do.

People stop doing that because it almost feels like it's true now. Can't state the obvious.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Neither penalty conceded to Ronaldo was a dive. Both had clear contact. Of course he went down when he felt contact vs Elche.

Are you kidding me?? If yesterday's wasn't a dive, what was it? Any slight contact warrants the player to "go down" like he did, if you find "dive" offensive to you??

Always so harsh on everything Barca/Messi and lenient on Ronaldo/Rm.

 

[Cule4life]

Are you kidding me?? If yesterday's wasn't a dive, what was it? Any slight contact warrants the player to "go down" like he did, if you find "dive" offensive to you??

Always so harsh on everything Barca/Messi and lenient on Ronaldo/Rm.

Nah he just cant help being a hipster.

 

[footyfan]

Are you kidding me?? If yesterday's wasn't a dive, what was it? Any slight contact warrants the player to "go down" like he did, if you find "dive" offensive to you??

Always so harsh on everything Barca/Messi and lenient on Ronaldo/Rm.

Starting 4:55 on the video. Contact is clear, he gets clipped from behind. I don't get care how good/bad a player you are, if you're robben or ronaldo or messi, if you feel contact from behind specially on your legs, you're entitled to go down. Could he have stayed up? Maybe, but that is irrelevant. This is not an 'I am a greater human being' contest. He wanted an easy goal, fair play to him.

About being harsh on Messi/Barca, I don't have to praise Messi when there are 20 other people doing the same thing. The opinion literally becomes irrelevant. Although I would suggest to you to look at my post history on the Messi thread here. I really can't see any instances where I'm being harsh on him. Maybe you just have never seen someone who likes Messi and Ronaldo in equal measure

Nah he just cant help being a hipster.

I won't lie. I try to be contrarian sometimes just for the sake of it. Otherwise you get stuck in an echo chamber and that's how brain cells go to die. Also, that's how Ronaldo/Messi fanboys are formed.

In this case, I don't see how I'm being a hipster tho.

 

[Stric]

Starting 4:55 on the video. Contact is clear, he gets clipped from behind. I don't get care how good/bad a player you are, if you're robben or ronaldo or messi, if you feel contact from behind specially on your legs, you're entitled to go down. Could he have stayed up? Maybe, but that is irrelevant. This is not an 'I am a greater human being' contest. He wanted an easy goal, fair play to him.

I won't lie. I try to be contrarian sometimes just for the sake of it. Otherwise you get stuck in an echo chamber and that's how brain cells go to die. Also, that's how Ronaldo/Messi fanboys are formed.

In this case, I don't see how I'm being a hipster tho.

That's not how it goes. Every single contact does not warrant a foul/penalty. If it did, Messi would have 700 penalties more by now.

 

[footyfan]

That's not how it goes. Every single contact does not warrant a foul/penalty. If it did, Messi would have 700 penalties more by now.

That's your opinion. When it gets to contact on feet, almost all of them warrant fouls in my opinion. This particular one is a clear clip from behind, textbook penalty even tho ronaldo could have stayed up. And yes, Messi would have a lot more penalties if he did go down, and my respect for him wont change if he did.

 

[Bucky]

Messi literally has to be hacked or push down to the ground regardless of whether inside the box or not and he will still try to get up. Anyone can see that if you "watch" him.

Ronaldo on the other hand manufacturer's penalties out of thin air; the wind tickles his heels and boop, he's face planting the ground.

Obviously there are blatant contact situations don't get me wrong, but the fact is the vast majority of penalties conceded are manufactured bs.

*edit: watch that vid, how the f*** can you say that's a clear penalty decision!? Marcelo DIVES. Slow down the vid and watch Ronaldo, his left heel gets ever so slightly clipped but still puts his left foot forward to carry on the run, you see the delayed reaction and thus he DIVES to claim yet another manufactured penalty. FO if you say otherwise, that is the definition of "diving" that is so ugly in the modern day game that needs to be stamped out (fyi, it's cheating), FACT.

**wife doesn't watch football & isn't a fan, her words after watching those 2; "what even happened". Freeze frame it and watch it back, honestly, such dirty diving it's pathetic & embarrassing.

 

[footyfan]

Messi literally has to be hacked or push down to the ground regardless of whether inside the box or not and he will still try to get up. Anyone can see that if you "watch" him.

Ronaldo on the other hand manufacturer's penalties out of thin air; the wind tickles his heels and boop, he's face planting the ground.

Obviously there are blatant contact situations don't get me wrong, but the fact is the vast majority of penalties conceded are manufactured bs.

*edit: watch that vid, how the f*** can you say that's a clear penalty decision!? Marcelo DIVES. Slow down the vid and watch Ronaldo, his left heel gets ever so slightly clipped but still puts his left foot forward to carry on the run, you see the delayed reaction and thus he DIVES to claim yet another manufactured penalty. FO if you say otherwise, that is the definition of "diving" that is so ugly in the modern day game that needs to be stamped out (fyi, it's cheating), FACT.

**wife doesn't watch football & isn't a fan, her words after watching those 2; "what even happened". Freeze frame it and watch it back, honestly, such dirty diving it's pathetic & embarrassing.

Who's talking about Marcelo? Anyway you need to calm down and watch this in its entirety.

 

[footyfan]

Also, to contrast with Messi, there was a really similar situation a couple of years ago that comes to my mind. Check 4:40-5:05 on the vid below. Stonewall penalty any day of the week and it wasn't given. Why? Because Messi didn't go down. But he asked for the penalty, so it's not like he didn't think it was a foul. In this case, Messi lost an opportunity to add a goal because he didn't go down. It doesn't mean Ronaldo was cheating and Messi was not cheating, because players are taught to go down when they get contact and are fouled. To think otherwise is just naive.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Starting 4:55 on the video. Contact is clear, he gets clipped from behind. I don't get care how good/bad a player you are, if you're robben or ronaldo or messi, if you feel contact from behind specially on your legs, you're entitled to go down. Could he have stayed up? Maybe, but that is irrelevant. This is not an 'I am a greater human being' contest. He wanted an easy goal, fair play to him.

This is where we fundamentally disagree. First, we don't agree on what constitutes a "dive". You seems to believe as long as there is contact, no matter how slight it is, the player can rightfully go down. I call that diving. Diving does not confine to going down without any contact, in my opinion. And secondly, I abhor this kind of behavior, and you seem to tolerate, even condone it. If Messi had done what Ronaldo did vs. Elche, I would have been extremely disappointed and called him out for diving.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Textbook penalty?

Players are taught to go down if there was any contact? To do anything otherwise is just naive?

OK, I think that we have so vastly different understanding and appreciation of how a football game should be played and how players should behave that there is no more common ground that warrants any further discussion on this subject.

My parting thoughts:

 

[Sumlit]

Neither penalty conceded to Ronaldo was a dive. Both had clear contact. Of course he went down when he felt contact vs Elche.

Both penalties on Cristiano were blatant dives. Neither contact forces him to lose his footing. He looks for the contact, which is minimal, and dives for effect. Clearcut dives. Marcelo's dive there wasn't even contact at all.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Both penalties on Cristiano were blatant dives. Neither contact forces him to lose his footing. He looks for the contact, which is minimal, and dives for effect. Clearcut dives. Marcelo's dive there wasn't even contact at all.

This. Ronaldo always looks for contact within the penalty box so he can go down. His signature, trademark move of sitting on the ground with both arms up waving like an old lady hit by a bike, crying for penalties is so disgusting.

The key word is he looks for contact.

 

[Flavia]

That's your opinion. When it gets to contact on feet, almost all of them warrant fouls in my opinion. This particular one is a clear clip from behind, textbook penalty even tho ronaldo could have stayed up. And yes, Messi would have a lot more penalties if he did go down, and my respect for him wont change if he did.

There was no contact to justify cr diving, c'mon. If so, the air touching him as he runs is enough to make him fall too.

 

[footyfan]

OK. So I take it you saw the videos I posted, incl. the Gary Neville one?

Forget about whether Ronaldo went down or not. Do you think that's a penalty? Are defenders allowed to hit players' feet/legs from behind? Didn't Masch get a red card in the first game for that?