Cristiano Ronaldo - v1

[Luftstalag14]

Another thing that people tend to overlook is CR's incredible ability to play without the ball and get to certain spots. If it was that easy, then why don't every player go poach the ball or why can't more players get to certain spots like CR does? This guy has an incredible ability to get into certain spots and score. Look at all the guys CR has made look good over the years. When they leave Madrid, they are nothing. I bet CR can make me look good too. If there are spots that he can get to, all one has to do is pass it there.

He is also a fantastic passer too. We don't see it often but when he makes a pass it is a joy to watch.

He's a dominant force because of this.

I don't think any one would argue with you about Ronaldo's ability and killer instinct to show up in the right place at the right time. His off the ball movement is top notch. But to say he has made other people look good by implying that he would turn a shitty pass from a teammate into a golden and scoring opportunity is just too much, more than a stretch in my opinion. Ronaldo does require good service, not just any service.

And who are those people that are nothing after leaving Real Madrid that you were referring to, by the way? Oezil? Oezil's problem is not that he doesn't have a Ronaldo to pass the ball to.

 

[xavisionary]

Just a thought:

When Messi was at the peak of his powers 2009-12 (roughly) were there any Madristas who said Ronaldo was still the better player? I love how pointless the arguments are though. Ronaldo doesn't have a low centre of gravity so he could never do this

Whereas Messi isn't 6"+ and built so he could never do this

Really it all comes to down what style you prefer, and on that no one is correct.

 

[Rahj]

Just a thought:

When Messi was at the peak of his powers 2009-12 (roughly) were there any Madristas who said Ronaldo was still the better player?

yeah, at that time at least a third of rm fans claimed that.

 

[eye-switcher]

Excuses, excuses, excuses..


It didn't mean shit when Messi was better, and it doesn't mean shit now that Ronaldo is ahead either. Get real.

Completley agree! when Messi scores from the penalty spot or has easy tap ins nobody is criticising him when Ronaldo does the same no-one gives him credit.
In truth we only wish it was Messi on this goalscoring streak and how the goals are made are of lesser importance, Ronaldo is better at that now. Simple as.
I dont like him either but im not blind.

 

[Frodo_FCB]

You guys missing the point...Its not about who scores the most goals. Yeah Ronaldo right now is a better scorer, but he takes much more shots too.
When it comes to creativity though and who helps the team more, there is where Messi is miles ahead from Cristiano. Even on 2009-2012 when Messi was the best scorer he always had lots of assists.
To make it simple
Ronaldo = Scoring
Messi = Scoring + Assists

 

[eye-switcher]

I think we would be much happier if Messi was in Ronaldo´s goalscoring form, if he had buried thoose chances he had in the last game. Sure its nice that he gets more assist and might win most assists in la liga but the goalscoring price will always be worth more.

 

[Kerrybai]

Completley agree! when Messi scores from the penalty spot or has easy tap ins nobody is criticising him when Ronaldo does the same no-one gives him credit.
In truth we only wish it was Messi on this goalscoring streak and how the goals are made are of lesser importance, Ronaldo is better at that now. Simple as.
I dont like him either but im not blind.

Ha aint better at all. Show me Ronaldo pulling off the sort of playmaking Messi has produced this season, his second assist to Neymar vs Bilbao, his goals vs Elche etc. He's the better the goalscorer but certainly not the better player.

I think we would be much happier if Messi was in Ronaldo´s goalscoring form, if he had buried thoose chances he had in the last game. Sure its nice that he gets more assist and might win most assists in la liga but the goalscoring price will always be worth more.

Not at all, Ronaldo takes 7 shots per game. If Messi starts playing like Ronaldo then Neymar and Suarez will suffer. Under Tito we played through Messi too much as we lakced other capable forwards and when Messi was injured we were fucked. We are far batter as a team with Messi taking less shots ( 4 per game ) and providing more assists. Our team is finally balanced like it was with Henry and Etoo and prime Pedro and Villa. arty1:

 

[Luftstalag14]

I think we would be much happier if Messi was in Ronaldo´s goalscoring form, if he had buried thoose chances he had in the last game. Sure its nice that he gets more assist and might win most assists in la liga but the goalscoring price will always be worth more.

Yeah we'd love to see Messi scoring more goals, definitely. But not scoring goals at all costs like Ronaldo does though, if you know what I mean.

 

[xavisionary]

Goals win football matches, and RM are doing that...

 

[Los Blancos]

Assists are great and all but how many touches does a player have to have. It is almost like CR taking so many shots to get a goal. How many times does a Messi pass becomes an assist. Also, you have to be somewhat lucky to get an assist. A great pass does not equal a goal it is up to the receiving end player. A goal is a goal, no matter how the guy gets it. For CR to put the team on his back and score goals is basically beating a team all on his own.

If CR is taking 7 shots per game to get his total to where it is now, then I want him to shoot more.

If Messi is only taking 4 shots and he is 2nd in scoring, shouldn't he be taking more shots. Assists are not a sure thing but a Messi goal should be a sure thing.

These reasons are why goals are the most important thing for attackers such as CR and Messi.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Assists are great and all but how many touches does a player have to have. It is almost like CR taking so many shots to get a goal. How many times does a Messi pass becomes an assist. Also, you have to be somewhat lucky to get an assist. A great pass does not equal a goal it is up to the receiving end player. A goal is a goal, no matter how the guy gets it. For CR to put the team on his back and score goals is basically beating a team all on his own.

If CR is taking 7 shots per game to get his total to where it is now, then I want him to shoot more.

If Messi is only taking 4 shots and he is 2nd in scoring, shouldn't he be taking more shots. Assists are not a sure thing but a Messi goal should be a sure thing.

These reasons are why goals are the most important thing for attackers such as CR and Messi.

Messi having too many touches? There is a pass/assist/per touch ratio? For the record, the number of touches Messi has these days has declined slightly compared to couple of years ago when Pep was here. Not that it matters because it doesn't. Your logic is very odd, to say the least.

You are right though that it is lucky to have an assist because your teammates could completely screw up the opportunity/pass. But how does that tie back to your original point that other players should be thanking Ronaldo for turning their passes into goals? You got it up side down, my friend. The goal scorer usually thanks the teammate who provided the assist, especially if that was a clear-cut opportunity created, not the other way around.

Ronaldo beating a team all on his own? He sure did, by diving dramatically to ask for PKs and then scored. Seriously, when was the last time Ronaldo created a goal all by himself, without being serviced? I think it was that great goal against Cordoba, right?

 

[Flavia]

Goals win football matches, and RM are doing that...

And Barça isn't, I take it. 1st in the league, while rm is 4th. They also ended 3rd last season.

 

[MagIX]

Assists are great and all but how many touches does a player have to have. It is almost like CR taking so many shots to get a goal. How many times does a Messi pass becomes an assist. Also, you have to be somewhat lucky to get an assist. A great pass does not equal a goal it is up to the receiving end player. A goal is a goal, no matter how the guy gets it. For CR to put the team on his back and score goals is basically beating a team all on his own.

If CR is taking 7 shots per game to get his total to where it is now, then I want him to shoot more.

If Messi is only taking 4 shots and he is 2nd in scoring, shouldn't he be taking more shots. Assists are not a sure thing but a Messi goal should be a sure thing.

These reasons are why goals are the most important thing for attackers such as CR and Messi.

??

About Messi, we are talking not only about a incredible attacker, goal machine (like CR), but also of an incredible playmaker (not CR).
This magic cobination qualifies Messi as something different, something really really special, and this fact puts Leo at the level of the greatest of the greatest.

(not included the assist from september, therefore now much more than 57 assists...)


He is a goal machine, but he does not play as striker, he is a assist machine, but he does not play as midfielder. An incredibile amount of goals + an incredible amount of assists = Messi.

 

[footyfan]

Assists are great and all but how many touches does a player have to have. It is almost like CR taking so many shots to get a goal. How many times does a Messi pass becomes an assist. Also, you have to be somewhat lucky to get an assist. A great pass does not equal a goal it is up to the receiving end player. A goal is a goal, no matter how the guy gets it. For CR to put the team on his back and score goals is basically beating a team all on his own.

If CR is taking 7 shots per game to get his total to where it is now, then I want him to shoot more.

If Messi is only taking 4 shots and he is 2nd in scoring, shouldn't he be taking more shots. Assists are not a sure thing but a Messi goal should be a sure thing.

These reasons are why goals are the most important thing for attackers such as CR and Messi.

This rationalization is weird.

And Barça isn't, I take it. 1st in the league, while rm is 4th. They also ended 3rd last season.

Same points as Barca.

 

[xavi_the_Boss]

Same points as Barca.

Still 3rd.