Cristiano Ronaldo - v1

putogusiluz8

The Pale One
Dribbling in the sense of being able to beat your man - not merely having close control and good touch- is a lot to do with trickery which is a mental faculty if you ask me. It requires being able to predict what your opponent is thinking and counter it with a different move or bait him and then take him another direction etc... and always be a step ahead of your opponent. Not everyone has that trait. There's a lot of great dribblers (iniesta) who just rely on great technique alone and get the job done, but Imo the greats have always had the ability to be one step ahead of the defender mentally being unpredictable and of course incredible technique. Ronaldo has neither at optimum level if you ask me.

Plus Morten has a point, not just your height or weight and low centet of gravity but even the anatomy of each individual determines their style and how effective they can be. Messi, if you notice has his knees are really, really close to the ground. The distance between his feet and knees are so close it actually looks slightly deformed, I'm no doctor/physicist but I imagined that makes making those ridiculous turns at high speeds more feasible. While Neymar for example has long arched legs. I don't know what benefits but I'm sure he can't do what messi does with his little demon legs, and vice versa I suppose he has perks over messi.
 

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dakt

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Dribbling in the sense of being able to beat your man - not merely having close control and good touch- is a lot to do with trickery which is a mental faculty if you ask me. It requires being able to predict what your opponent is thinking and counter it with a different move or bait him and then take him another direction etc... and always be a step ahead of your opponent. Not everyone has that trait. There's a lot of great dribblers (iniesta) who just rely on great technique alone and get the job done, but Imo the greats have always had the ability to be one step ahead of the defender mentally being unpredictable and of course incredible technique. Ronaldo has neither at optimum level if you ask me.

Plus Morten has a point, not just your height or weight and low centet of gravity but even the anatomy of each individual determines their style and how effective they can be. Messi, if you notice has his knees are really, really close to the ground. The distance between his feet and knees are so close it actually looks slightly deformed, I'm no doctor/physicist but I imagined that makes making those ridiculous turns at high speeds more feasible. While Neymar for example has long arched legs. I don't know what benefits but I'm sure he can't do what messi does with his little demon legs, and vice versa I suppose he has perks over messi.

Messi is combination of great vision, body and quick thinking. His dribbles are effective as you said, because he can either predict opponent's movement or provoke opponent to do the wrong step and counter in a very small time frame and also do that, this is very important, while having the ball so close to his feets. That enables him to be so effective in small spaces. It's not just that he's having the ball so close to his feet, but he can run and accelerate while maintaining the control and so be able to change direction quickly at any given moment.

Ronaldo is nothing like it. His dribbles are rarely effective because he cannot make decisions so fast. Usually he decides to make the dribble and forces his way in because he doesn't anticipate opponents movement, can't do that quick analysis and doesn't have close ball control.
His football IQ is in fact average, but his will is high and is very competitive. I respect that, but I don't admire. What I don't respect about him is that he's still thinking he's up there with Messi. I mean, just watch what he does and ask yourself can you do the same?
 

footyfan

Calma, calma
I don't think that's correct. They can be as good as the shorter players. Raed's post last page is spot on.

I disagree. The best short dribblers will always be better than the best tall dribblers. Take space away from Ronaldo (Brasil) and his deficiencies are exposed, to a much larger extent than for a short player like Messi, Maradona etc. Ronaldinho and Zidane can't even be compared to Messi and Maradona dribbling wise.

The 5 best dribblers in history are short.. Messi, Maradona, Pele, Garrincha, George Best.
 

S7_MUFC

New member
Laudrup was really good dribbler and was around 6 ft tall.....but it's undeniable that certain aspects like touch and close control are dependent of the height....You rarely see players taller than 6ft 3 inches dribble past 2-3 players whereas most short players are good at dribbling...
 

Kerrybai

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I never said that, can you guys actually read what i write? They can however almost exclusively never be as good as the short ones can be. Why is that, do you think?

Being small often helps as you often have a lower centre of gravity, but that doesn't explain Cristiano and his lack of dribbling ability, he could have been like Brazil Ronaldo who's the same height, however he was simply never talented enough.
 

Morten

Senior Member
Being small often helps as you often have a lower centre of gravity, but that doesn't explain Cristiano and his lack of dribbling ability, he could have been like Brazil Ronaldo who's the same height, however he was simply never talented enough.

I agree that Ronaldos dribbling is quite average for a wide forward of his reputation, height cant excuse that.
 

Raed

Dr. Raed St. Claire
Im not even trying to make a point that Ronaldo is a great dribbler, or that he would be the best dribbler in the world if only he was shorter. Its just that people here doesnt seem to understand that dribbling, agility and height are quite closely related. Compare Ronaldos dribbling to the brazilian one/Zidane makes more sense, not with midgets like Iniesta and Messi. Zidane and brazilian Ronaldo are about the same height as Cristiano, and there is little doubt they were better dribblers. Dont think they can compare to the best midgets though, for a reason.

No we do, but we aren't comparing average players, we are comparing exceptional talent. Ronaldo was an exceptional talent, his main weapon was exceptional dribbling but he deviated away from that to become a goal machine. Even Messi is no longer the wizkid with dribbling that embarrasses the masses, he has become a goal machine as well.

For normal players, average players, or even very good players, center of gravity and dribbling are closely related and positively proportional. For exceptional talents, it depends on the player's will, do they improve their dribbling or become a different type of player.
 

Raed

Dr. Raed St. Claire
I disagree. The best short dribblers will always be better than the best tall dribblers. Take space away from Ronaldo (Brasil) and his deficiencies are exposed, to a much larger extent than for a short player like Messi, Maradona etc. Ronaldinho and Zidane can't even be compared to Messi and Maradona dribbling wise.

The 5 best dribblers in history are short.. Messi, Maradona, Pele, Garrincha, George Best.


Laudrup was really good dribbler and was around 6 ft tall.....but it's undeniable that certain aspects like touch and close control are dependent of the height....You rarely see players taller than 6ft 3 inches dribble past 2-3 players whereas most short players are good at dribbling...

There is more to it than height. Way more to it than height. There is inherent bais towards taller players too in coaching and training too. For example Zlatan refused to be the tall = header/target man type because he insisted on using his technical skills and forced his way onto the teams he played for and his coaching staff. Other players aren't as strong willed so they do not hoan that skill.

Now, the advantage short players have vs taller players is there, but there is also many other factors such as the flexibility, the understanding of a player of his own body, there is acceleration and top speed, there is balance too (see Drenthe, he is a fuckin idiot with his balance), then there is perception of opponents like someone else mentioned, and then there is power and physic. Ronaldo had insane ball control, in some ways better than Messi, Cristiano used trickery because his body is not flexible, Ronaldo's was, so one used ball control, the other used tricks. Other factors include favorite positions vs ideal positions. Some players's dribbling skills are better than others in different ways.

For example: Take Iniesta, Ronaldo, Cristiano, Messi, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Robinho, Di Maria, Robben, Joaquin, Xavi, Marcelo, Cafu, and others.

Iniesta, Zidane rarely lose the ball in midfield, whereas Messi would lose it there often, and in fact, many big losses of Barca were because of MEssi losing the ball from deep. Messi is exceptional when he initially has time on the ball, he maps out his route and from there he is unstoppable because he can keep the ball super close at high speed and he has the ability to touch the ball so many times in short periods of time. Robben is the same but less effective because he is incapable of using his right foot. Di Maria is better than Robben but his decision making at the end is often his biggest let down. Joaquin for example, on the touch line is unstoppable and his delivery is fucking brilliant, and while some say that he uses the throw in line as protection, he could also be limited by it, but he was phenomenal there. Ronaldo on the other hand, didn't focus on the pitch, he focused on the player at hand, like Robinho, therefore made wrong decisions at time, and the further they were away from goal, the less effective they were. Joaquin, kinda like Figo did focused on the pitch, so he'd dribble the ball into space, Cristiano and Robinho would want to dribble past a player, which is not effective far from goal.

Kaka, Ronaldinho could dribble anywhere, short or long stretches, had explosive pace, but the former was more pragmatic and the latter added flair. Messi has no flair, but extremely effective, Ronaldo had flair and power, Robinho and Cristiano had flair but not effective.

Xavi is an exceptional case, his ball control is phenomenal, his first touch, his turns, his vision, all helped him maintain the ball, dribble short distances but without losing it. This is also exceptional dribbling ability but although he was short he wasn't going on mesmerising runs, but he knew his body very well, he understood it and understood the space around him, so he dribbled the ball into pockets of space to make good short passes.

Mainly for me however, a good dribbler is someone who combines it with a good delivery or shot. Queresma is good dribbler, but what the hell was he doing half the time I will never know. Over time, players who do not deliver after a dribble or a trick get often found out by defenders and then neutralized. Ronaldo changed his style, from long runs, exquisite dribbles, close ball controls, trickery to brilliant runs in the form of short power bursts combined with excellent first touch, and FEW touches + a solid shot. He could beat the man at hand, or two, with single or two touches but closer to the goal. He used to play further deep into the pitch, but after injuries, he could no longer do that.

Dribbling changes over time with change in body and height is not a defining factor. Football intelligence is important and training.
 

footyfan

Calma, calma
No one says height is the only factor. You're talking about how there are different types of dribbling, but all else being equal (intelligence, training, bias, pace etc.) the shorter player will be better at dribbling at all of them. At the very very top, the 'all else' part tends to be more or less equal, which is why the absolute best dribblers are short. All the tall players you mentioned struggle more in small spaces than players like Messi, Maradona, Garrincha, Iniesta etc.

Tall players have the advantage of longer strides and higher body mass, that's about it. These are not nearly as important as centre of gravity and thus balance, when we talk about the very best dribblers.
 

mehdimike

New member
IMO height is also an impotant factor,besides the football intelligence .The shorter u are,the shorter your steps are.
Messi,for example,can touch the ball several times in a short distance.And with these touches he can change the speed or acceleration of the ball and also direction of his running.
Could the 180cm messi do that?I doubt.
Any idea about the steps?!
 

NotInHere

New member
I think Messi figured taking on players like he used to would have taken a toll on his knees so he stopped using that aspect of his game, if you watch closely he determines at what time frame it is correct to take on players, that to me is more impressive than what he did before. Its like he sees the game at a slow pace.

Cristiano has very weird dribbling, he has his good dribbling moments but sometimes he looks very awkward with the ball. He's like a robot trying to dribble. What's amazing to me is how Messi can still keep up with Ronaldo in terms of goals while the latter being Ronaldos greatest strength. Messi was just gods creation, he's the total package.
 

Morten

Senior Member
What's amazing to me is how Messi can still keep up with Ronaldo in terms of goals while the latter being Ronaldos greatest strength. Messi was just gods creation, he's the total package.

For me its just as much of a testament to how much of a machine Ronaldo is. He is not at all a bad player on the ball, but he cant match Messi`s talent. He still put up numbers to match him, more or less.
 

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