Edin Dzeko

[zanela]

Beast, Is there any Zlatan goal that u saw & went wow! or some skill that he did on the pitch that u thought no other striker would 've pulled it off?

Also give me ur top 3 most skillful strikers? (not the most consistent or gr8 stat wise, but some one who got gr8 ability on the ball, can do everything on the pitch...score from a bicyclekick to chip, volley, back-heel, header, screamer, dribble, create, score from the most difficult angle etc etc )

I remember u praised Zlatan's performance against Racing before he got injured in the second half. So, i dont think u are a hater. But i feel ur just biased against the player & generally just do not like him which is understandable coz every1 can 've preferences outside one's own club.

And, while we are still on this Ibra vs Džeko debate. I like to point out that i think Titus Bramble is better than both

 

[4ever barca]

Ibra is great player..one of the best striker on the world...and he has proved that so many times..you can hate him but you can't denied thah..:ibra:
Dzeko is still young player who has everything to become the best...he has excellent last seasson but he also continue in this...

and of course that bosnia is better than sweden in offansive...

 

[Beast]

Wouldn't place Zlatan & Benzema in the same bracket, to be honest. One has been decent while the other has been piss poor for the most part. I expect more from both, I'll give you that, but still. Zlatan has done more, imo.

Yep Zlatan is currently better than Benzema and always was , both have ego's and overrated the jury is out on both

Beast, Is there any Zlatan goal that u saw & went wow! or some skill that he did on the pitch that u thought no other striker would 've pulled it off?

Also give me ur top 3 most skillful strikers? (not the most consistent or gr8 stat wise, but some one who got gr8 ability on the ball, can do everything on the pitch...score from a bicyclekick to chip, volley, back-heel, header, screamer, dribble, create, score from the most difficult angle etc etc )

I remember u praised Zlatan's performance against Racing before he got injured in the second half. So, i dont think u are a hater. But i feel ur just biased against the player & generally just do not like him which is understandable coz every1 can 've preferences outside one's own club.

And, while we are still on this Ibra vs Džeko debate. I like to point out that i think Titus Bramble is better than both

He had his wow moments , plenty of them but so did Matt le Tissier we don't put him in our all time heroes simply because most of his goals were out of this freaking world

Top 3 (consistency excluded and lethality ) than it's Ronaldo (Fat one ) Dinho (the second fat one ) and Forlan and i would include Ibra as 4th with them ..
Yes i praised Zlatan when he make something worth praising .. it was just easy for Esteve and Meta to dismiss my opinion as hater then debate facts

for the record i followed Inter almost all the time (till Mourinho took over i stopped watching them as much ) they are my team in Italy and it's always the same for me with regards to Ibra i don't really rate him and it has nothing to do with Barca ..if he prove me wrong and offer consistency i will be the firs to praise him

Titus is the manarty00231:

 

[zanela]

He had his wow moments , plenty of them but so did Matt le Tissier we don't put him in our all time heroes simply because most of his goals were out of this freaking world

I still want u to give me one moment, Beast

Btw, Ronaldinho ain't a striker & i 'vnt seen Forlan score a back-heel or has he?

 

[Metaphysical]

If pointing to deficiencies means X or Y are haters you should immediately quit the forum, as debating is all about pointing towards deficiencies in teams,players,tactics to all other non football related .
If everytime someone mention something about someone u don't like and u brand him a hater automatically that makes 80 % of the forums are a bunch of haters and u should get out of such a sick atmosphere filled with hate and join a forum filled with love and "yes sir " " i agree " " + 1000000000000 " members

In my defense i'm not a hater i'm just pointing at the flaws in your arguments (which usually associate with anything has Barca and Man United in it ) especially when u point out that Bosnia (Bosnia ffs ) has a better service for Dzeko then Ibra considering the later record in the last 8 freaking years unlike Dzeko ..

bosnia does have better service for dzeko than sweden does for zlatan. I'd be amazed if you could anyone who thinks otherwise.

when sweden were a good team, zlatan scored goals regularly (including such miracles as the backheel vs. italy) in recent years sweden haven't been as good because of crucial players getting old/crap and zlatan has struggled because he often has to do it himself.

when I say you're a hater, I mean the slang term.

A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.

Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock somelse down a notch.

when ibra (or anyone) deserves criticism then I don't argue with that. but in your case you will slate ibra every chance you get. no matter how nonsensical the argument (like arguing that sweden are a better team than bosnia). you don't praise him when he deserves it, you either ignore him or refuse to use his real name (i.e. "good goal from the nose" and such). and that makes you a hater.

for example: I'm a hater when it comes to steven gerrard, I freely admit that.

He had his wow moments , plenty of them but so did Matt le Tissier we don't put him in our all time heroes simply because most of his goals were out of this freaking world

yeah because le tissier played for a shit club. he didn't have the ambition to move to a top club and shine on anything close to the highest level. he could have done, but didn't, that's why he's not as widely revered as he possibly should be.

ibra, meanwhile, has won the league seven years in a row.

 

[Axelius]

Do i need to make things up so you could be happy

will i say he is a big game player when he is not , or consistent ? or humble ? or did a great job for Sweden when his job is to score ?

he is doing good for you in all the weak games and scoring in them as expected , if there is something else i will be the first to say it but so far he done nothing out of my original critical point of view for him to change my point..
he still failed to score when it mattered (Denmark game, Super cup , Inter game ) .. so my opinion of him is so far spot on not hating him

So whats ure opinion on CR? He sucks in the national team, does that make him a bad player? If the performance in the national team is how you would rate a player, surely real wouldnt have payed 90 million for him..

 

[[FCB]Messi[10]

For me this would be a great move for Dzeko and for Milan, because he is a great player and is still young. This kid has a bright future ahead of him, and if he moves to Milan it would be better for his career for moving to one of the biggest clubs in the world.

 

[Aryagorn]

For me this would be a great move for Dzeko and for Milan, because he is a great player and is still young. This kid has a bright future ahead of him, and if he moves to Milan it would be better for his career for moving to one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Might be great move for Milan but certainly not for Dzeko... With the way things are going on at Milan it would take some time for them to reclaim their previous glory days, I don't understand why an in-form, in-his-prime striker would want to waste his time there!! He'd better head to Juventus or Liverpool or even Chelsea!! He could form a great striking partnership with Torres Or he could mark the beginning of a new era for Chelsea, who are not exactly in crisis and with all their ageing stars could as well reestablish their squad

 

[[FCB]Messi[10]

Might be great move for Milan but certainly not for Dzeko... With the way things are going on at Milan it would take some time for them to reclaim their previous glory days, I don't understand why an in-form, in-his-prime striker would want to waste his time there!! He'd better head to Juventus or Liverpool or even Chelsea!! He could form a great striking partnership with Torres Or he could mark the beginning of a new era for Chelsea, who are not exactly in crisis and with all their ageing stars could as well reestablish their squad

well you are right about how Milan aren't doing so well like in their glory days, but now what I see when Milan are playing is they are finally playing as a team and are now in the top 3 even if their players are aging. But if it is his wish to move to Milan, then I say let the kid have his chance and maybe shine at Milan but if he won't shine because of how the team lacks team work then he should move to Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U, or even Barca and I know a lot of cules would want him here.

 

[jayjay]

This guy is a beast of a player!! He would do great in Italy.

 

[Beast]

Ouch just noticed the posts a month + sorry guys

I still want u to give me one moment, Beast

Btw, Ronaldinho ain't a striker & i 'vnt seen Forlan score a back-heel or has he?

I think his most impressive moment has to be Euro 2004 against Italy.. considering the importance of the game and the situation he scored it.

bosnia does have better service for dzeko than sweden does for zlatan. I'd be amazed if you could anyone who thinks otherwise.

when sweden were a good team, zlatan scored goals regularly (including such miracles as the backheel vs. italy) in recent years sweden haven't been as good because of crucial players getting old/crap and zlatan has struggled because he often has to do it himself.

when I say you're a hater, I mean the slang term.



when ibra (or anyone) deserves criticism then I don't argue with that. but in your case you will slate ibra every chance you get. no matter how nonsensical the argument (like arguing that sweden are a better team than bosnia). you don't praise him when he deserves it, you either ignore him or refuse to use his real name (i.e. "good goal from the nose" and such). and that makes you a hater.

for example: I'm a hater when it comes to steven gerrard, I freely admit that.



yeah because le tissier played for a shit club. he didn't have the ambition to move to a top club and shine on anything close to the highest level. he could have done, but didn't, that's why he's not as widely revered as he possibly should be.

ibra, meanwhile, has won the league seven years in a row.

Ibra didn't win the league on his own , he left Inter and they are still leading with a relaxed margain and that's taking into consideration Milito injury and the fact that both Eto'o and Milito (with a much lesser extent ) hasn't settled yet.
cule's talk about Ibra as if it was a one man show in Inter.. it wasn't it they used him well but they played for him 10 men dedicated to help him do his thing.

Inter is a strong team in comparison to Serie A rivals with or without him no matter what you try to make him he wasn't the only reason they won as many of your and other posters suggest .

Ibra is overrated in terms of he will help you beat the weak rivals and sulk in the edgy encounter..u can sit here analyze him day & night facts stay the same say what you want about your irrational hate for Gerrard ( the player i don't care about how awful personality he is ) but he deliver for his team in every big occasion something Ibra failed to do in Europe for those 7 years you are happy to promote .
As for Bosnia yes we saw how great they were against Portugal Meta , Bosnia have good players but they are not on the level of Sweden nor have the experience or the pedigree

So whats ure opinion on CR? He sucks in the national team, does that make him a bad player? If the performance in the national team is how you would rate a player, surely real wouldnt have payed 90 million for him..

CR doesn't suck in the national team as u may suggest, CR with Figo and co in Euro 04 and beyond was great for his team , CR started level started to drop when he was given the captaincy at this young age and with a crap manager he has to carry the team on his own literally considering the major inconsistency around him .
so it's a case of temp situation more then a perm situation .that's the difference

he didn't have a good Euro 08 or a good qualifier for the WC but he wasn't the only one and everyone attribute the Portugal performance to the choice of Quieroz as the manager than a case of CR being bad .
needless to say Portugal already punched above their weight they are not a traditional power house in European or world football , reaching Euro 04 final (named in the team of the tournament and he was 19 years old ) and WC 06 semi final (top goal scorer in the qualifiers with 7 goals ) , once again in Euro 08 qualifiers again top goal scorer with 8 goals
lately Portugal are using Sporting Lisbon forward instead of Ronaldo and the team is starting to have some shape playing off a true striker as used too under Pauleta and afterwards with Nuno Gomez .

In any case CR is miles & miles ahead of Ibra in everything , there is no competition here ...
one has achieved every club and personal award available and just 24 years old while the other near the end of his prime time and achieved nothing more then league awards and top goal scorer

 

[mobster_1930]

Milan is finaly starting to play like a team, Dzeko along with Pato would be a killer combination altough I'm not sure how long is this going to last (milan's good form).

 

[Metaphysical]

CR doesn't suck in the national team as u may suggest, CR with Figo and co in Euro 04 and beyond was great for his team , CR started level started to drop when he was given the captaincy at this young age and with a crap manager he has to carry the team on his own literally considering the major inconsistency around him .
so it's a case of temp situation more then a perm situation .that's the difference

and yet you refuse to acknowledge zlatan has the same issue with sweden.

like I've said, there's no point discussing zlatan with you.

 

[Beast]

Zablatan situation is permanent

 

[Hamzah]

I have to agree with Beast. I feel that when Scolari was their ronaldo was comforted and portugal played as a team because Scolari was like a father figure (comforted him when he cried etc)

Zlatan refuses to have a father figure and wants to carry the team by himself. ronaldo does want to carry the team but he can be 'tamed' if you know what I mean (scolari and sir alex)