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[mc_lovin]

You're completely missing the point.

Nah, you are entitled. That's the point.

1 CL+2 Leagues+2 Copas in 3 years is more than clubs like Liverpool or United managed in a decade.

 

[fergus90]

I think ultimately the MSN era was a little tainted by the fact Madrid were kings of Europe.

Throughout 2015 though the 3 of them really did click to create some wonderful moments.

 

[serghei]

Nah, you are entitled. That's the point.

1 CL+2 Leagues+2 Copas in 3 years is more than clubs like Liverpool or United managed in a decade.

MSN, great trio. Not as brilliant as advertised, fell short of reaching the heights of domination that was expected of them. Managed to be outshone by lesser players like Ronaldo, Bale, Isco, Benzema at the time.

That's the reality of things.

What you say are great results, by normal standards. I never said they aren't. I said they didn't meet the expectations. And being kicked out prematurely in CL in 2 out of 3 seasons by inferior teams with inferior players is exactly that. Their last season was poor even by normal standards btw.

I think ultimately the MSN era was a little tainted by the fact Madrid were kings of Europe.

Throughout 2015 though the 3 of them really did click to create some wonderful moments.

More than a little.

 

[mc_lovin]

I think ultimately the MSN era was a little tainted by the fact Madrid were kings of Europe.

Throughout 2015 though the 3 of them really did click to create some wonderful moments.

But it shouldn't be. And national titles should be appreciated a lot more... a lesson we all learn right now. And hopefully learn well.

To Serghei: CL is a game of chance. They are all humans in a (generally) low scoring game after all. How about Xavi and Iniesta? They only managed two CLs with prime Messi... is their legacy tainted?

 

[serghei]

But it shouldn't be. And national titles should be appreciated a lot more... a lesson we all learn right now. And hopefully learn well.

To Serghei: CL is a game of chance. They are all humans in a low scoring game after all. How about Xavi and Iniesta? They only managed two CLs with prime Messi... is their legacy tainted?

Of course it should be.

There's the emotional/romantic/biased side of things for which maybe MSN is the best ever. When I think of the goals they scored, even if it was mostly vs Getafe, post 2014/15, I can understand that. The same way most United fans think their club is top 3 ever .

And there's the objective result that says they missed out on establishing themselves as the best of their time. The rival took the biggest prizes. Ronaldo won the Ballon d'Or from under their nose in 2 out of 3 seasons. Deservedly imo.

Of course, being 2nd best is not really a tragedy. You're still elite. The same way Nadal is mega-elite in tennis, but Djokovic is a bit better.

Also, what game of chance in MSN era in CL? They got beaten for real by Atletico and Juventus, MSN was legitimately part of the 2nd best team on the field. Juventus trashed them, Atletico beat them 2-0 without much fuss. PSG trashed them even, with Draxler and Di Maria. If anything, the chance was more with them in the 6-1 win vs PSG.

There was no luck involved in CL those years. Simply got beat by more hungry teams, with more work rate and more focus on those nights. It's legitimately judged as a low point and failure for the team, and for them as well.

The comparison with Pep Barca is off the mark.


If you want to argue with me, argue on what's being said. A no-doubt world-class trio, but missed the mark on being the best overall in the world in those 3 years, which is what people expected, and rightfully so.

The really interesting conversation would be why did that happen? Then we get into things that really are at the core of the best teams. And that's my point. There are bigger more important things that you need to get right to be no1, than just the names on the teamsheet. Look at PSG.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

Bale Benzema Ronaldo was a bigger success than MSN, because they delivered against the biggest teams in those years. MSN were comfortable showing off vs Leganes, Getafe, and Osasuna. And when it was time to go to work and prove they are the best in CL they disappeared, getting outshone by fecking Griezmann and Dybala.

2015 was beautiful, but again, it was a one-time thing. They didn't manage to sustain that level of concentration and ambition except for some months, from January to June in 2015. I would say that we were the clear best team in the world for only a brief period with MSN. Other than that, it was strength on paper, that failed to deliver in the big games.

Losing 0-3 to a team like Juventus was especially embarrassing. Failing to score in 180 mins vs the same players Madrid scored 4 goals past in a single game.



It's true.

2 league titles, 1 CL in 3 years, it's very good, but not legendary or something like that. Plenty of teams manage to do that with lesser attacks, and wages. Look at peak Liverpool with Mane, Salah, Firmino. 1 CL final, 1 CL title, back to back, 1 EPL. Even that trio outperformed MSN in the Champions League.

Let's get something straight, I'm not saying they weren't very good, I'm saying that people said at the time that this trio will dominate Europe for years after 2015. It never did. It was a one time thing.

Next year they were sent packing in CL by Simeone and Griezmann, perennial underachievers according to this forum, and then humiliated by Juventus, other chokers who were trashed by Madrid in the final.

Its not really better though. 1 treble, 1 more league title, and more cups is better than 1 cl and 1 league title. Thats just pathetic.

It didnt dominate Europe but thats cause Neymar left not because the trio failed.

Bro they literally made Madrid our bitches for as long as they lasted.

 

[serghei]

Its not really better though. 1 treble, 1 more league title, and more cups is better than 1 cl and 1 league title. Thats just pathetic.

It didnt dominate Europe but thats cause Neymar left not because the trio failed.

Bro they literally made Madrid our bitches for as long as they lasted.

We're judging based on the 3 seasons. They were awesome 1 year, failed the other two years. Personally, I expected more. 1 in 3 against the best is not that extraordinary. Especially considering that in the other 2 you didn't even make top 4 and get the semis.

 

[mc_lovin]

It's a shallow way to look at things. I am OOT.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

We're judging based on the 3 seasons. They were awesome 1 year, failed the other two years. Personally, I expected more. 1 in 3 against the best is not that extraordinary. Especially considering that in the other 2 you didn't even make top 4 and get the semis.

Don't matter bro even if you just judge the three years they achieved goat level success.

Unless you wanted them to win 3 ucl in a row like Madrid, which was all luck.

 

[serghei]

Don't matter bro even if you just judge the three years they achieved goat level success.

Unless you wanted them to win 3 ucl in a row like Madrid, which was all luck.

No, they didn't. That's the whole point. The trio was better on paper than on the field when tested against the best in the toughest competition.

I'm out too. This is taking too long.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

No, they didn't.

I'm out too. This is taking too long.

Yes they did, but sure according to you MAne and Salahs 1 UCL and 1 league title they won was better. Lmfao.

 

[Rory]

MSN didn’t fail. They propelled forward an otherwise a bit above average ucl team. Ter Stegen not a great keeper, Alba crybaby, Mascherano was half retired, Pique, Alves was half the player he used to be. Iniesta half retired, Busquets soft as butter, Rakitic was a top player in 15/16 and half of 16/17.

To keep it on topic, Haaland would arrive and we’d be far from ucl winning capability.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

You don't need insanely great team to win CL, unless you want to do it in a style. You just can't give up easy goals. As long as you have tight defense, goalie who can make some key saves, good midfield in terms of movement, pressing and defending and one Haaland and you will have a great chance to win CL.

It's Tuchel tactic from the past two seasons in CL.

If you want to win in style ala Barca. It's way harder. You have to crush the best teams in the world. You need insane generation/team to do that.

We try to do it the hardest possible way but it's also the most glorious way to win.

Right now we lack:

Right mentality. We are weak.

Any defending skills from defense and midfield.

Key striker/forward, prefer super fast/quick and lethal(Haaland/Mbappe type). You need one lethal or two very good ones.

Goalkeeper who can make key saves when needed.

Team which is well organized in defense and knows how to defend without the ball. No panicking.

Knows when to press the opponent and cause trouble if good spot.

Overall hard working team. You can have max one player taking a bit liberties with defending. (Haaland for example). But even him needs to make certain high chance runs.

 

[JamDav1982]

In three years MSN won 1 CL, 2 leagues and 3 cups. Winning treble for only second time in clubs history.

While up against a Real team that won 2 CLs and 1 league title as other best team in europe.

Making out that MSN failed is just spoiled Barca fans nonsense.. could have done better in CL but also far and away the main reason won the one CL did.

 

[fergus90]

But it shouldn't be. And national titles should be appreciated a lot more... a lesson we all learn right now. And hopefully learn well.

To Serghei: CL is a game of chance. They are all humans in a (generally) low scoring game after all. How about Xavi and Iniesta? They only managed two CLs with prime Messi... is their legacy tainted?

Oh no I completely agree with you. I just meant I guess if for example if any other team but Madrid had won the CL then there would be no debate whatsoever anywhere.

Any trophy should be respected and competed for. Including the likes of the Europa League that we are competing for this season.