Ernesto Valverde - V1

George_Costanza

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Madrid don’t have a football identity so it could happen in such an instance but Barça decided many moons ago to play a certain way (with a focus on La Masia) and everybody will be judged based on that.

The problem with our recent managers is that they weren’t part of such a programme. Rijkaard, van Gaal, Guardiola and Villanova were though and it showed in how players were brought through the ranks and having a particular style. Rijkaard was the one that stopped the absolute madness of wanting to send Messi on loan.

At this stage there is no better personification or student of said fundamentals than Xavi.

It doesn’t mean he will be a good manager though. So he had best work with the kids first.

Xavi is La Masia graduate, Lucho and EV aren't. Lucho didn't even play Barcelona football philosophy when he was coaching Barca B. Rijkaard is an Ajax youth graduated, a system similar to La Masia. His first coching career was as an assitant coach for the Dutch NT under Guus Hiddink. I really think Xavi don't need to coach Barca B as it's not a parameter to judge, as seen in case of Lucho.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
Xavi is La Masia graduate, Lucho and EV aren't. Lucho didn't even play Barcelona football philosophy when he was coaching Barca B. Rijkaard is an Ajax youth graduated, a system similar to La Masia. His first coching career was as an assitant coach for the Dutch NT under Guus Hiddink. I really think Xavi don't need to coach Barca B as it's not a parameter to judge, as seen in case of Lucho.

I agree with you that being assistant manager to EV would likely be better for him than coaching Barca B.

Xavi is a football nerd through and through. He's more perceptive and observant than any player I've ever seen and this really came to light in a lot of his interviews after leaving Barca. I'll link them here. I know a good chunk of people on this forum will have already seen at least a few of them but I think those interviews are gold and everyone should read them as thoroughly as they can:

http://www.sofoot.com/xavi-clearing-the-ball-is-an-intellectual-defeat-453815.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/7p00f4/xavi_interview_with_el_país_january_8th_2018/
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/big-interview-xavi-inside-mind-a-football-genius?page=0,1
http://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2017/09/01/59a9581c22601d0b658b45b7.html

It's fascinating to see the kinds of views and football wisdom he developed over his near unparalleled career. Tactically, his knowledge and vision is already where it needs to be. It already seems like he has a good idea of what kind of coach he's going to be and the kind of football he'll play. He shows in these interviews that he has a keen mind for analyzing situations and seeking out clear solutions, asking critical questions. It's not just an instinctive football genius but an overt, conscious one that he uses to understand everything that happens or should happen on a football pitch. He says it himself, football is played with the mind.

Everything he's talked about is what you want to hear out of a potential Barca coach. He clearly has the same football-OCD that Pep has and fully commits to Cruyff's philosophy. It's also impressive how he recalls the different training methods of Rijkaard, Pep, Lucho, etc. and exactly why they did it. He even goes in depth about how guys like Dembele could better adapt to the Barca system. And it's not just Dembele or Barca players, he analyzes and compares players from several different teams and footballing backgrounds to make his point about how the game should be played and what makes a "star player".

Xavi is already ready to manage, he's probably smarter and more knowledgeable than half the top coaches out there right now. Going to Barca B to fiddle with tactics and build a system for inferior/developing players is little more than a waste of time for him. An unwritten, obligatory step that we somehow decided every homegrown Barca coach needs to follow to be "ready" for the first team. What Xavi truly needs now is to learn how to lead. How to control a dressing room and motivate his team, how to instill a winning culture within a group and develop the younger guys or fringe squad players. And there's no better place for him to learn this than our first team.

As an assistant manager he'd have a big role in communicating with the players and handling the dressing room. After all, the assistant manager often acts as the conduit between the team and the head coach, so he'd be getting a lot of hands on experience dealing with the players directly. Our core will have been recycled heavily after this summer, with new key players like Griez/Coutinho and other developing players like Dembele/Aleña/Arthur ready to be central to our title races. The squad will be more fresh and hungry than it has been since 2015. Imagine Xavi there to mentor and teach the younger guns in the squad what it takes to be a true champion and what they're missing in their game. Imagine him there to help knock some sense into Valverde about where we've been going wrong tactically and offensively. It changes the dynamic of the team quite a bit, to have an idol there who's ready to teach you everything he knows and watch over your shoulder.

I think Zidane's presence as Ancelotti's assistant coach was huge for RM. Xavi would help with team morale, mental strength, cohesiveness of the group, etc. These are all 'intangibles' when it comes to chasing titles but they are crucial for any championship team and one needs to look no further than RM's mental edge over every single CL opponent they face to see why. It's not enough for a team to be playing great football with lots of talent, a team needs to be READY to be champions and have near unshakeable confidence to do it.

He's ready now. Not 3-4 years from now but right this summer or next. He doesn't need to get his coaching badges to be an assistant manager and he can work on that as he goes until we're ready to move on from Valverde.
 
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serghei

Senior Member
I don't think a pragmatist like Valverde could get along with an idealist like Xavi. A1 and A2 need to see eye to eye more oftan than not to work.
 

Joan

Well-known member
I don't think a pragmatist like Valverde could get along with an idealist like Xavi. A1 and A2 need to see eye to eye more oftan than not to work.

I think that time with a proper pragmatist is what Xavi will eventually need to be top class coach.
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
Valverde: “My idea is to always look at what we already have. We have players such as Coutinho, Aleñá, Denis to replace Iniesta. We must also understand that some players are unique and are impossible to fully replace.”

DENIS REPLACING INIESTA?!?! :rofl1::rofl1::rofl1::rofl1:
 
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Trickykid

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It's funny because it's true.

And before a mob of dimwits comes at me screaming EV apologist and Fraudverde lover; no he's very fucking far from perfect, but also not guilty of everything that's wrong with the world.
 

Joan

Well-known member
Mostly what people have against Valverde is the worry that the Roma match will happen again.

Nowadays, everyone's afraid of it. I honestly liked him up to the Roma match. He had shown some tactical sense and that's what I liked.

But that's not the point here. People blame everything wrong with the club on him.
 

serghei

Senior Member
There were signs before the Roma game, but he seemed content with us winning games based on luck mostly and an inspired Messi. He had many warning signs but chose to disregard them until it was too late.
 

Joan

Well-known member
I read something interesting. Valverde tried to explain why he hasn't used many B team players this season. Says players often get lost when they're up and down and he prefers to work with a set squad of 21/22 players.

Well, this doesn't make sense to me. If he doesn't want players to 'get lost' switching teams, he won't use any B team players next season. So, he'll use ONLY players from his squad. But, he wants a small squad which means he'll have only 21/22 players for 3 competitions. Meaning, he hasn't learned his lesson about rotations and he won't rotate properly again.

In short, plan for the next season: play your best players in Copa, be dead tired in August and face an early CL exit.
 

FinBarcelonafan

Well-known member
There were signs before the Roma game, but he seemed content with us winning games based on luck mostly and an inspired Messi. He had many warning signs but chose to disregard them until it was too late.

Exactly. People saw this coming. We looked awful almost the whole 2018 but miraculously we kept winning. Our form was dipping way earlier than the Away Rome game. We got lucky vs Chelsea away and home. Even Rome home game they got unlucky and they deserved better result.

Valverdes Copa obsession cost us. Players looked dead tired..
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
I mean you have to remember all the teams he managed up until this point weren't powerhouses as in they didn't have the funds especially like Espanyol and Bilbao.

He's use to having small squads, at Bilbao they only target Basque only players or they have to promote from within as well. At Barcelona we want him to use youth as well but He needs to realize we can't make it far with a small squad, especially considering we have a number of players who are getting older and would need to be rotated more as well.

For me I think he could have gave youth more of a chance this season. I mean it's not like he's forced to use the likes of Vidal,Gomes etc. If those said players aren't meeting expectations, then why not give the likes of Alena more of a chance?
 

Joan

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I mean you have to remember all the teams he managed up until this point weren't powerhouses as in they didn't have the funds especially like Espanyol and Bilbao.

He's use to having small squads, at Bilbao they only target Basque only players or they have to promote from within as well. At Barcelona we want him to use youth as well but He needs to realize we can't make it far with a small squad, especially considering we have a number of players who are getting older and would need to be rotated more as well.

I don't think there's anything wrong with small squads themselves. If you have 22 good, trustworthy players AND occasionally call youngsters for less relevant matches, that's fine. I thought it'd work like that. I thought he wanted to have a small squad in order to make some room for B team players.

This I don't understand. But, I guess it might work. If all compete for their spots.

For me I think he could have gave youth more of a chance this season. I mean it's not like he's forced to use the likes of Vidal,Gomes etc. If those said players aren't meeting expectations, then why not give the likes of Alena more of a chance?

He could've, that's for sure. But, I don't really blame him since it's his first season.

I remember many fans wanting Vidal as our starting RB. I think he deserved a chance. Couldn't produce so he's benched now.
Gomes is still very young. There was a reason we bought him. A player might not thrive under a manager. Had to see if it was due to Lucho or not. In short, I understand why he'd like to see what he's got in the squad, what he can do with players at disposal.

I'm sure he's more familiar with youngsters now and I hope he'll improve massively in that regard next season. That said, he could've and probably should've given more chances to B team players.
 

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