Ernesto Valverde - V1

[El Gato]

I said before he spouts not me. Learn some English mate

I asked whether or not you won the game... mate.

Thought you did. You'd think otherwise based on idiots whining about only 2nd or 3rd win at Anoeta in more than a decade.

So are you the Nostradamus for saying his luck won't run out? I'm using basic science of probability that not every opposing team will miss chances or their GK will fuckup like today. Not sure what retarded logic are you using equating that to lottery ticket numbers

No, what I am referring to is the retarded opposite smartasses resort to i.e. football is a predictable sport and things go according to the odds. This ain't a maths class. Shit doesn't depend solely on probabilities. Slating the manager after a win, multiple users having an emotional meltdown and you think you're doomed to fail under him because of pretty much one result (since the rest is a solid record of wins despite the performance quality) and no evidence that he hasn't learned from his mistakes...

He didn't "have it coming"? Just read up the posts around that time. Most of us (including me) excluding the cheerleaders were saying his luck will run out and it did.

He might have. Except the Roma result had zero to do with Barca's style of play. Absolute nowt. Nor did the subsequent Levante loss to kill the undefeated record.

Guess you missed the Pique openly arguing with him during the match and reports of dressing room fallout.

What is that indicative of? Other than Pique being poisonous snake worth fuckall to any serious institution at this point in his career?

Seems you have nothing better to do on a Saturday than troll here.

You seem to not understand the concept of trolling. But sure, go bitch and whine about a win at your bogey ground. Music to my ears really. This thread is basically a scapegoat equivalent of a Benzema thread in the past few years for any sample of a perfectionist fanbase of a given club. Fans like yourself are as much to blame for the state of this club as the misguided board trying to please you with galactico deals (until Abidal hire) and failing.

 

[soul24rage]

Nobody disappeared. Nor was that result predicted by anybody and it was nowhere near "he had it coming" caliber. Reasons for that are well documented and have fuckall to do with his tactics and is more on the players than people are willing to admit, because it's more convenient to scapegoat one specific person than a conglomerate of individuals prone to making mistakes, on the pitch or on the sidelines.

nah man, even though the players played bad, di francesco tactically owned EV that game and EV didn't change anything.

 

[hamoon32]

It's been more than a year and you're still waiting to see if it continues? Newsflash you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

It's not like he didn't change anything from last year. It's a harder to control game when you play 4-4-2. We're playing under a new system, let's see how it goes. He is not an idiot, so I'm hopeful.

You're a rare breed. What exactly do you like in him? Just curious.

Well, he had a semi-successful first year, he's a good tactician, has good judgement on players ability and he has showed this season that he's not stubborn and is willing to change things. (new system, starting Dembele etc). Players also seem to like him.

 

[Cule4life]

Thought you did. You'd think otherwise based on idiots whining about only 2nd or 3rd win at Anoeta in more than a decade.

Winning in Barca and Madrid isn't everything. Capello was sacked despite winning the league. Valverde's style of play can only take us so far as we saw against Roma.

No, what I am referring to is the retarded opposite smartasses resort to i.e. football is a predictable sport and things go according to the odds. This ain't a maths class. Shit doesn't depend solely on probabilities. Slating the manager after a win, multiple users having an emotional meltdown and you think you're doomed to fail under him because of pretty much one result (since the rest is a solid record of wins despite the performance quality) and no evidence that he hasn't learned from his mistakes...

So if football is so predictable why haven't the betting companies gone bankrupt? Was Barca predicted to lose against Roma? I get it Madrid's luck seems infinite so you might think that but Barca's isn't. You just have to use your eyes to see that he hasn't learned from his mistakes. His apologists defended him saying our squad is poor. We are still playing poorly despite a huge increase in squad quality.

Except the Roma result had zero to do with Barca's style of play. Absolute nowt.

Dear Lord you're either completely clueless if you really think that or a terrible troll. We tried to defend a 4-1 lead away against a team who had massively inferior individuals than us when we don't have the personnel to sit deep and defend. Everyone except you could see the players weren't comfortable with it and it was heading for a disaster. You also seem to have missed the pity sub for Gomes. You also missed the part when Roma looked shaky when we finally started to attack

What is that indicative of? Other than Pique being poisonous snake worth fuckall to any serious institution at this point in his career?.

Pique being a snake doesn't mean he's wrong about everything. And it wasn't just Pique. Iniesta said we'd lose if we continued to play like that. Messi was rumored to be furious too.

You seem to not understand the concept of trolling. But sure, go bitch and whine about a win at your bogey ground. Music to my ears really. This thread is basically a scapegoat equivalent of a Benzema thread in the past few years for any sample of a perfectionist fanbase of a given club. Fans like yourself are as much to blame for the state of this club as the misguided board trying to please you with galactico deals (until Abidal hire) and failing..

Well pardon me for not giving a flying fuck about your model for an ideal fan. I'm not a blind fanboy who can't look past the results and see the forest for the trees. And i'm not a fan of the galactico deals but i don't expect you to know that since you have a made up a generalization in your mind about spoiled fans crying about the genius manager Valverde

 

[El Gato]

nah man, even though the players played bad, di francesco tactically owned EV that game and EV didn't change anything.

Nah. Fightback doesn't happen solely by manager saying the right things at HT and is not done by a manager on the field. He didn't fail the players, quite the opposite, even if his overall approach is that of sacrificing flair for safety. His personality clashes with the indoctrinated locker room leaders who don't 100% take to pretty much any manager post Pep and it's something that was on full display particularly in CL away games where Barcelona got regularly bummed for a number of years now, more so than in the league, though it's still there but to a lesser extent.

Projecting CL failures onto a manager is exactly what Real Madrid have done 2003-2010 despite it being completely in the squad's heads with vocal guys being Ramos, Iker, Raul, Guti.. all who have lived through that dreaded period together. Valverde may not be a manager to do that, but you have a trio of seniors who have been drilled to think for their own rather than submit fully to the manager and they're quite possibly the most cuntish leaders assembled all at once in a top level side in the past 20 years, so I sympathise with him quite a lot.

If you want to trust probabilities on the whole like that fella above, then you'd never be able to predict Zidane's success which defied the accepted theories every year.

Winning in Barca and Madrid isn't everything. Capello was sacked despite winning the league. Valverde's style of play can only take us so far as we saw against Roma.

Except you can't all of a sudden start winning everything when you're in a CL rot for so long bar one anomalous season and that's what people seem to expect. Away games in the CL have been a rather regular problem since Pep.

What's with you and others like [MENTION=15262]serghei[/MENTION] bringing up Capello? That sack was nonsensical and was done to please the retards occupying majority of entitled fanbase sick of lack of success thinking shit will appear with a magic wand. That's not how it works. Shouldn't take similar steps under Barto with EV, even though Barca is basically running a galactico policy + damage control by Abidal.

Pique being a snake doesn't mean he's wrong about everything. And it wasn't just Pique. Iniesta said we'd lose if we continued to play like that. Messi was rumored to be furious too.

At this point he is absolutely contributing nothing of value that another CB cannot do. Moving onto somebody like Lenglet is a much overdue move and the longer you keep Pique around that young team looking for some inspiration, the longer you'll suffer. That's the point here.

Iniesta-Messi being furious basically means one will try shouting with that peepy, shy voice of his and the other will ruffle his hair and kick a bucket. That's what you've got for leaders of men right now. Wake up man!

 

[Garrus]

So are you the Nostradamus for saying his luck won't run out? I'm using basic science of probability that not every opposing team will miss chances or their GK will fuckup like today. Not sure what retarded logic are you using equating that to lottery ticket numbers

This is ‘Comedy Central’ type of material.

So Mr.Basic science and propability in here, Thinks that winning a league composed of 38 matches, Somehow isn’t a reliable indicator to expose a lucky manager, But screweing up one of two knock out matches, Is the best mathematical and statistical indicator to expose a lucky manager, Despite of what we’re taught in statistics 101 classes in middle school.

Sorry to break it to you. But you have the mathematical and statistical skills of a Greek accountant

 

[xXKonan]

One of his biggest flaws he has shown here so far is his inability to develop players. One of the things that I was hoping with Valverde when he came here was can he take what he learned in that regard at Bilbao and transition it here but sadly doesn't appear so.

It just comes off as a guy who wants to take the easiest route possible and that's not good if we have a team full of young players that need coaching.

 

[Raketa10]

Valverde gives 45 minute taste of some cules ‘rotation’ obsession, And like your typical weasels , they turn 180 degrees on what they been barking and demanding about for past 2 weeks when it doesn’t work out as they expected.

For the second time in row, Valverde takes 3 points from anoeta, Something we failed to do even once under 4 seasons with pep guardiola and 3 with luis Enrique, And accomplished it:

No Messi goals or assists, To pin it on him.
No own goals, To pin it on them
Gave 45 minute rest to our two best midfielders after their NT duty.
Started this forum golden boy semedo, And Roberto back in midfield
Our best performance was in the 2nd half ( The manager’s 45 minutes)

I can’t wait for the mental gymnastics some Barca fans will pull to undermine him, Preparing myself for the comedy.

Rotations? Rafinha and Roberto in midfield are rotations? Those are not rotations my friend but pure stupidity. If you can not see how lucky we were today and how disgusting our football is at the moment than you are trully blind. Lucky win at Anoeta with the roaster we have against Sociedad who have 4 points so far? WOW what an accomplishment!!!

 

[Cule4life]

So according to Wolfe it's never the managers fault for losing the CL, we can continue to play badly it doesn't matter we'll win because we are Barca. Just because Madrid seems to defy the odds doesn't mean every club will

 

[Cule4life]

This is ‘Comedy Central’ type of material.

So Mr.Basic science and propability in here, Thinks that winning a league composed of 38 matches, Somehow isn’t a reliable indicator to expose a lucky manager, But screweing up one of two knock out matches, Is the best mathematical and statistical indicator to expose a lucky manager, Despite of what we’re taught in statistics 101 classes in middle school.

Sorry to break it to you. But you have the mathematical and statistical skills of a Greek accountant

Newsflash we can mess up a couple of games in the league and still win. That's not the case with the CL. That's precisely the point. Valverde is at best a league level manager where playing safe will get you the league with a team like Barca. That won't work in the CL.

Seems you are happy with winning just the league then. I'm sorry i'm too spoiled to expect Barca to win the CL only because we are one of the biggest clubs in the world.

 

[George_Costanza]

This is ‘Comedy Central’ type of material.

So Mr.Basic science and propability in here, Thinks that winning a league composed of 38 matches, Somehow isn’t a reliable indicator to expose a lucky manager

Really? How much influence did EV have on the team last season to win us points? Can you list them? Can you tell me exactly what are his winning tactics that won us those games, and the changes he made over the season so the team developed better and became stronger under him? How much influence did Messi and MATS have the last season on comparison to the manager?

 

[soul24rage]

Nah. Fightback doesn't happen solely by manager saying the right things at HT and is not done by a manager on the field. He didn't fail the players, quite the opposite, even if his overall approach is that of sacrificing flair for safety. His personality clashes with the indoctrinated locker room leaders who don't 100% take to pretty much any manager post Pep and it's something that was on full display particularly in CL away games where Barcelona got regularly bummed for a number of years now, more so than in the league, though it's still there but to a lesser extent.

Projecting CL failures onto a manager is exactly what Real Madrid have done 2003-2010 despite it being completely in the squad's heads with vocal guys being Ramos, Iker, Raul, Guti.. all who have lived through that dreaded period together. Valverde may not be a manager to do that, but you have a trio of seniors who have been drilled to think for their own rather than submit fully to the manager and they're quite possibly the most cuntish leaders assembled all at once in a top level side in the past 20 years, so I sympathise with him quite a lot.

If you want to trust probabilities on the whole like that fella above, then you'd never be able to predict Zidane's success which defied the accepted theories every year.

You're right that there were times that the players failed the manager in CL but in that Roma game most of the blame is on EV. This video shows how EV was outwitted
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He could have changed to a 433 to counteract Di francesco's attacking 3-2-5 formation. He could have put in Dembele when we were crying for pace or even Paulinho for Iniesta if we wanted some steel in that midfield. He didn't do any of those options and the only change he did before the third goal happened was put Gomes for Iniesta which was a waste of a sub. We were getting beaten from the first minute of that game and there were also signs in the first leg of the 2nd half. Even Iniesta mentioned in half time that if they keep doing what they are doing, then they are going to lose.

 

[Cule4life]

Except you can't all of a sudden start winning everything when you're in a CL rot for so long bar one anomalous season and that's what people seem to expect. Away games in the CL have been a rather regular problem since Pep.

Well we sure as shit ain't coming out of that rut anytime soon with Valverde's shit football

What's with you and others like [MENTION=15262]serghei[/MENTION] bringing up Capello?

To show you that style of football matters for fans. For you only results matter but you are not the embodiment of the whole fanbase. Get it? If only results mattered i would just check the score next day. Most people watch a team because of the football they play

At this point he is absolutely contributing nothing of value that another CB cannot do. Moving onto somebody like Lenglet is a much overdue move and the longer you keep Pique around that young team looking for some inspiration, the longer you'll suffer. That's the point here. Iniesta-Messi being furious basically means one will try shouting with that peepy, shy voice of his and the other will ruffle his hair and kick a bucket. That's what you've got for leaders of men right now. Wake up man!

I agree about you on these points but how does that absolve Valverde's shortcomings? That's like a murderer saying "But X Y Z committed murders too so i can't be blamed"

 

[Richard.H]

Will we keep EV if we get knocked out of CL but win La Liga convincingly again?

 

[Cule4life]

Will we keep EV if we get knocked out of CL but win La Liga convincingly again?

I won't be surprised if that happens with our dumb board. We let go of Sarri/Tuchel already....