Ernesto Valverde - V1

[putogusiluz8]

This team has no notion of what to do as a unit. The football is basic, our passing is predictable and boring aside from individial brilliance which seems to the only exciting thing to look forward to.

I don't know. I sort of held on to the hope that with time Valverde, being a conservative manager, would take more risks and the team would show another facet but it's the same boring, monotonous football which like I said just relies on someone to do something out of the box because Valverde sure as hell has nothing up his sleeve to implement.

This man is not the way to go; if I have to watch this for another season I'll rip my eyes off.

 

[El Gato]

What should we adjust for?

Adjust for taking less goals with result being the priority. It's the key, particularly when preparing the team for latter stages of the CL.

Is he grooming young players for the future? It's clear things are not clicking with him.

Of course he is.

So please do tell me why should we get behind Valverde?

Because a double-winning coach deserves at least a season to correct anything that hasn't worked before, without everyone shitting on him whenever things look drab against tough opponents.

Well you just called 80% of Barca fans clueless and declared yourself smarter than them so how else should i interpret that?

80% of most football fans for that matter, with any team. It's really only the fringes that take their time to watch back a given game and hit pause sometimes to look around. Particularly fans that watch Barca games on streams, then go on Twitter, fetch something from a Barca stat feed and try smack talking on BarcaForum whenever they don't like something. Those are the kind that I find difficult to find reasons to discuss anything of note with, since to many a guy like Valverde just won't get anything right no matter what. Those fans don't pay any salaries (unless they happened to buy a shirt). So forgive me if I don't really believe many of the shit talk here is warranted, "smart" or on the whole more correct than what I think about the matter.

So just because Madrid struggled for years in the CL we should expect that too? We are among the richest clubs in the world with one of the best squads. Still we have not been good enough in the CL. Imagine how you would have reacted if Barca had won 4 CLs in 5 years and Madrid blew a 4-1 lead to get dumped out by Roma.

If symptoms are similar, why not? You don't have to like it, but it might be smart to acknowledge and accept the problematic transition. Madrid pretty much threw away a Copa del Rey under Pellegrini because the likes of Guti failed us and subsequently got let down by several players against Lyon. And a manager got scapegoated despite I think a then-record league points (or was it goals?) tally. Go figure...

Our squad is not capable of sitting deep and soaking up pressure. But Madrid's squad is much more capable than us in that regard and he was still criticized for doing that. So are 80% of the Madridistas including you, clueless? I'm just using your logic here.

And that's something that is sometimes sorely needed, particularly in the CL where you can't just dominate everyone all the time. You get tested, you get tired, gotta concentrate and be solid when you step off the gas for a part of the 180 minute tie. Need a relatively conservative/balanced coach with a team fully behind his ideas to learn that. Don't think seniors are behind him as much as they should.

Not that I think Valverde is a backwards coach either. If you want a perfect display of football conservatism, look at Hierro's tactics with Spain during the WC.

 

[George_Costanza]

Going to win two domestic doubles in a row, yet people complain.

Take the double and give me UCL any day.

 

[Cule4life]

Who complains?

Morten

 

[Cule4life]

Adjust for taking less goals with result being the priority. It's the key, particularly when preparing the team for latter stages of the CL

How daft are you? The number of goals being scored ain't the problem here. It's the way the team is playing.

Of course he is.

Hahahahahah. Please do tell who are these young players he's developing?

Because a double-winning coach deserves at least a season to correct anything that hasn't worked before, without everyone shitting on him whenever things look drab against tough opponents.

Except he hasn't shown any indication he's correcting what hasn't worked before. So should we wait for him to fuck up another season regardless of any signs of change?

80% of most football fans for that matter, with any team. It's really only the fringes that take their time to watch back a given game and hit pause sometimes to look around. Particularly fans that watch Barca games on streams, then go on Twitter, fetch something from a Barca stat feed and try smack talking on BarcaForum whenever they don't like something. Those are the kind that I find difficult to find reasons to discuss anything of note with, since to many a guy like Valverde just won't get anything right no matter what. Those fans don't pay any salaries (unless they happened to buy a shirt). So forgive me if I don't really believe many of the shit talk here is warranted, "smart" or on the whole more correct than what I think about the matter..

Unless you have a spycam installed in forum members house stop throwing around these accusations. I personally support watch Barca games and support them. How much have you supported Barca btw to have your opinion be superior than others?

If symptoms are similar, why not? You don't have to like it, but it might be smart to acknowledge and accept the problematic transition. Madrid pretty much threw away a Copa del Rey under Pellegrini because the likes of Guti failed us and subsequently got let down by several players against Lyon. And a manager got scapegoated despite I think a then-record league points (or was it goals?) tally. Go figure...

How are our and Madrid's symptoms similar? Did Madrid have a player like Messi at that time?

And that's something that is sometimes sorely needed, particularly in the CL where you can't just dominate everyone all the time. You get tested, you get tired, gotta concentrate and be solid when you step off the gas for a part of the 180 minute tie. Need a relatively conservative/balanced coach with a team fully behind his ideas to learn that. Don't think seniors are behind him as much as they should. Not that I think Valverde is a backwards coach either. If you want a perfect display of football conservatism, look at Hierro's tactics with Spain during the WC.

Oh boy you actually went there. You defended Benitez . By your logic no manager can ever be at fault and it's always the fault of the pesky old squad oldies holding the team back. And using a non-entity like Hierro to defend Valverde

Newsflash a manager has to work with the squad he has. It's easier to change a manager than a whole team. Plus Valverde hasn't shown any vision of infusing new blood into the team.

So in short Valverde is being held back by the senior squad who's unwilling to change. But then he selects those same players every match and refuses to phase those players out in favour of newer players. Help me understand how he's the genius to think him to be?

Its official Wolfe is in full troll mode.

 

[Horatio]

No win since 2007 at Anoeta but then Valverde gets two consecutive wins there. Coincidence?

 

[KingLeo10]

No win since 2007 at Anoeta but then Valverde gets two consecutive wins there. Coincidence?

yes, coincidence.

 

[El Gato]

How daft are you? The number of goals being scored ain't the problem here. It's the way the team is playing.

Nope it isn't, on paper. And yet if these games ended with 4-5 goals with 2 or 3 more clear cut chances per game against lower table it'd be just fine and people would kick the issue to the curb. Instead they stick to 2-3 goals and often drop down, which causes mass outrage. Strange.

Except he hasn't shown any indication he's correcting what hasn't worked before. So should we wait for him to fuck up another season regardless of any signs of change?

It's like 4 or 5 games into the season + Supercopa that you won. Even the less bright of the fans would see the logic behind giving him at the very least until the end of the group stage. By the logic of you "not caring" about La Liga relative to CL, you shouldn't have a problem with waiting till March anyway. Honourable fans would know it.

How are our and Madrid's symptoms similar? Did Madrid have a player like Messi at that time?

Early Ronaldo. Besides what's Messi got to do with it? We had a freshly rebranded team that retained its older leaders to help nurture RM culture. Quite a few parallels with a lot of newbies, young Benzema, Albiol + Garay who were green at that level...

Oh boy you actually went there. You defended Benitez . By your logic no manager can ever be at fault and it's always the fault of the pesky old squad oldies holding the team back. And using a non-entity like Hierro to defend Valverde

....?

 

[Cule4life]

Nope it isn't. If these games ended with 4-5 goals with 2 or 3 more clear cut chances per game against lower table it'd be just fine. Instead they stick to 2-3 goals and often drop down.

Show me where are fans saying the problem today was that we didn't score 4-5 goals? Stop brandishing hypothetical arguments.

If these games ended with us playing something resembling cohesive football with a vision with us creating chances regularly, then it'd be just fine.

It's like 4 or 5 games into the season + Supercopa that you won. Even the less bright of the fans would see the logic behind giving him at the very least until the end of the group stage.

We have already given him a full season. Even the less bright of the fans would see the that he hasn't changed at all and is not showing any indications of doing so.

By the logic of you "not caring" about La Liga relative to CL, you shouldn't have a problem with waiting till March anyway. Honourable fans would know it

As if we would win the CL playing like this So by your logic if he doesn't win CL this season he has failed. Should i hold you to that bet then?

Early Ronaldo. Besides what's Messi got to do with it? We had a freshly rebranded team that retained its older leaders to help nurture RM culture. Quite a few parallels with a lot of newbies, young Benzema, Albiol + Garay who were green at that level...

Comparing an early raw Ronaldo to a prime Messi Mix of older and young players? That can be used to describe many teams in history. Stop seeing parallels where they are none. Madrid were not a powerhouse at that time like Barca was when Valverde took over. And Madrid sure as shit don't tolerate shit football notwithstanding "superior" fans like you

You defended Madrid playing conservative under Benitez. Or were you so eager to peddle your agenda that you didn't even realize you did that?

What's the reason for the hard on for Valverde? Can you please convince Perez to take him off our hands if he's so perfect.

 

[Barcilliant]

Valverde has more luck than Di Matteo and that's saying something. I doubt that he can fluke a cl win though.

 

[Barcilliant]

Wolfe and Morten are gigantic trolls. Feel free to hire Valverde. 😂

 

[Sorin]

Wolfe and Morten are gigantic trolls. Feel free to hire Valverde. ��

I bet they've talked shit about Benitez in 2015. Why are people still replying to these 2 when they post about Barca? They are shit stirring trolls.

 

[Garrus]

The fact that some got ‘triggered’ to the point of calling [MENTION=5226]Wolfe[/MENTION] and [MENTION=18429]Morten[/MENTION], Trolls, Or me as an ‘apologist’, Shows what this place, Actually is:

An echo chamber.

Because one of the main fascinating symptoms of living inside an echo-chamber is that is gets the people inside it, Addicted, And dependent on it, I mean here you are, Surrounding yourself with people who simply reaffirm your pre-existing narratives and regurgitate them back to you with no challenge, The euphoric sensation of having one’s ego stroked consistently, feeling right and on top of things, is quite ‘addicting’.

But what gives it most away, Is that just like all ‘junkies’ and ‘addicts’, An echo chamber inhabitants, Get very irritated, Very quickly, When ever someone tries to disturb their bubble and their supply of dopamine, The last few pages demonstrates accurately, The ‘irritability’ part, A classic sign.

 

[Cule4life]

The fact that some got ‘triggered’ to the point of calling [MENTION=5226]Wolfe[/MENTION] and [MENTION=18429]Morten[/MENTION], Trolls, Or me as an ‘apologist’, Shows what this place, Actually is:

An echo chamber.

Because one of the main fascinating symptoms of living inside an echo-chamber is that is gets the people inside it, Addicted, And dependent on it, I mean here you are, Surrounding yourself with people who simply reaffirm your pre-existing narratives and regurgitate them back to you with no challenge, The euphoric sensation of having one’s ego stroked consistently, feeling right and on top of things, is quite ‘addicting’.

But what gives it most away, Is that just like all ‘junkies’ and ‘addicts’, An echo chamber inhabitants, Get very irritated, Very quickly, When ever someone tries to disturb their bubble and their supply of dopamine, The last few pages demonstrates accurately, The ‘irritability’ part, A classic sign.

Hahahaha from "but...but results" to "but...but he rotated" to "but...but echo chamber"

The only ones here who want their ego stroked from an echo chamber are Valverde cheerleaders like you who'll put their fingers in their years to avoid listening to valid criticisms about their idol Valverde.

The only who is a junkie here is you who is addicted to peddling his holier than thou agenda and lording your superiority over others

By your logic people who want peace in the world and don't wanna listen about wars are also living in echo chambers. Those who want murderers to be punished and don't want to sympathize with murderers are also living in echo chambers.

And yes Morten is a self confessed troll and Wolfe has failed miserably to substantiate his trolling arguments by peddling an insane agenda about how managers are never at fault even Benitez at Madrid

Get it? When shit stinks most people will want to find ways to address it and not shut up and put up with it like you.

 

[serghei]

[MENTION=5226]Wolfe[/MENTION] and [MENTION=18429]Morten[/MENTION] don't get the point. The point is that there are 3 requirements that fans demand from a Barca manager.

- Play entertaining attacking football with cohesion, energy and hunger to win
- Promote and develop Barca B players and the other young players we sign from other teams
- Win titles

Valverde sucks at the first 2 points, and while he won a big title, he was humiliated in the other big competition. This is why his credit is low among a lot of fans. Not that hard to grasp.

Barcelona in the last 20 years have never won the CL in any other way except playing great football and dominating their rivals. Don't think Valverde will be the first one to do it. Pragmatic football with low chance creation doesn't work at Barcelona. It goes against the ethos of the club.