Ernesto Valverde - V1

[xXKonan]

Not really a fan of the 4-4-2 especially considering why he's going to use it.

We are struggling defensively no doubt but you have to also look at more than just the 4-3-3, you have to start looking at some of the older players as well. Dembele loses a number of balls but Rakitic, Pique etc have been bad this season.

People like to blame the younger players but I'd argue that the Veterans in this squad are doing the most damage and you have a coach who doesn't seem to understand it or he does but he's trying so hard to squeeze blood out of a stone in hopes it still works.

Pique, Rakitic, Busi, Messi, Suarez cannot play together anymore. You have two forwards who aren't mobile and while Suarez is working harder these days, you still have Rakitic and Busi along with Coutinho trying to cover for them. Rakitic and Busi are so easily to blitz through and Pique who is in horrible form right now is also easy to take apart.

The problems are so easy to see yet we have manager whose head is in the Sand about it.

 

[George_Costanza]

We don't have players to implement 4-3-3 succeasfully enough to win UCL

I disagree

--------Busquets (destroyer)
----Arthur(passer)------Coutinho (creator)

To win the UCL

Busquets needs to be physically and mentally ready
Arthur needs to have more minutes until the KO's stages
Coutinho needs to play on the left MF and make an advance runs

 

[DonAK]

Reports he'll go back to a 4-4-2 with Vidal coming in and Dembele going out.

So I guess it'll be:

ter Stegen

Semedo - Pique - Lenglet - Alba

Vidal - Rakitic - Busquets - Coutinho

Messi - Suarez

 

[El Gato]

Reports he'll go back to a 4-4-2 with Vidal coming in and Dembele going out.

So I guess it'll be:

ter Stegen

Semedo - Pique - Lenglet - Alba

Vidal - Rakitic - Busquets - Coutinho

Messi - Suarez

Vidal may actually work quite nicely on that flank if Semedo is asked to stay high akin to Kimmich.

 

[gasgas]

I disagree

--------Busquets (destroyer)
----Arthur(passer)------Coutinho (creator)

To win the UCL

Busquets needs to be physically and mentally ready
Arthur needs to have more minutes until the KO's stages
Coutinho needs to play on the left MF and make an advance runs

Busquets can not destroy anything

Arthur is a passer, more of a backpasser and side passer

Coutinho is more interested in scoring screamers than actual midfield work

 

[George_Costanza]

Busquets can not destroy anything

Arthur is a passer, more of a backpasser and side passer

Coutinho is more interested in scoring screamers than actual midfield work

I think it's more important to have a coach who understands the Barca 4-3-3 system. The issue isn't with the players but with the manager who lacks a clear idea and system. You can't impelemnt a tactics if the manager himself dosn't understand it or beleive in it. We have coaches like Sarri who actually tweaked the system i.e play from the back to the wings/wider area with such speed, creating narrow triangle to make less mispassing mistakes, this is what EV has to do focus on positional play as we mispass (Raki), or pass backward/sideways (Arthur). Players Klopp implemented his system with below average players and reached UCL final.

 

[Zidane82]

how about a destroyer 3?

Kante fits that bill although he's not technically brilllant .. I'd prefer Pogba who has everything in his locker .

 

[serghei]

The modern 4-3-3 is for teams who move a lot off the ball. If you don't move off the ball it's harder to combine in midfield because the distances between the midfielders are bigger than in other systems like 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 3-4-3, or 3-5-2. The way Valverde sets up, his midfielders are more pairs for the fullbacks, they always drift wide as opposed to creating central overload. Rakitic plays way closer to Roberto than Busi for example. For it to work, the midfield 3 need to switch positions between them. The opposite midfielders need to be able to pass to each other constantly. Triangles need to happen. Valverde doesn't use a midfield trio in his 4-3-3. He uses three midfielders. That's a big issue.

 

[Zidane82]

Valverde is one lucky guy ... just as it seemed that we were due to get a good tonking by Spurs it turns out that they will be without FIVE of their main six outfield players .
Only Kane will play ... key quintet of Jan Vertonghen, Mousa Dembele, Christian Eriksen, Serge Aurier and Dele Alli all set to miss the game !!

 

[serghei]

Valverde is one lucky guy ... just as it seemed that we were due to get a good tonking by Spurs it turns out that they will be without FIVE of their main six outfield players .
Only Kane will play ... key quintet of Jan Vertonghen, Mousa Dembele, Christian Eriksen, Serge Aurier and Dele Alli all set to miss the game !!

He's lucky until he isn't. And we all know what unlucky Valverde looks like in CL.

 

[xXKonan]

If there's a time to turn things around it will be now especially considering Tottenham is missing a number of key players for tomorrows match.

Just don't fuck it up.

 

[BBZ8800]

4-3-3 will only work with players such as Arthur, Alena, and Coutinho next to Busquets. You need a destroyer, creator and passer combo NOT destroyer, destroyer, creator or destroyer, destroyer, passer.

EV doesn't know how to implement 4-3-3

True.
George, this looks good passing/attacking wise.

Sadly, football is played both ways.
This lineup sounds like trolling defensively, as if you want to lose on purpose against more or less anyone.

 

[gasgas]

The modern 4-3-3 is for teams who move a lot off the ball. If you don't move off the ball it's harder to combine in midfield because the distances between the midfielders are bigger than in other systems like 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 3-4-3, or 3-5-2. The way Valverde sets up, his midfielders are more pairs for the fullbacks, they always drift wide as opposed to creating central overload. Rakitic plays way closer to Roberto than Busi for example. For it to work, the midfield 3 need to switch positions between them. The opposite midfielders need to be able to pass to each other constantly. Triangles need to happen. Valverde doesn't use a midfield trio in his 4-3-3. He uses three midfielders. That's a big issue.

Barto please make this guy coach

and [MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] as assistant coach.

i don't agree with their tactics but at least they have a plan.
The same cant be said about Valverde

 

[xXKonan]

I'm pretty sure we can survive without Blonde boy being in the middle.

Just stick Vidal in there for now. He will probably do a much better job than Rakitic will.

 

[MagIX]

I disagree

--------Busquets (destroyer)
----Arthur(passer)------Coutinho (creator)

To win the UCL

Busquets needs to be physically and mentally ready
Arthur needs to have more minutes until the KO's stages
Coutinho needs to play on the left MF and make an advance runs

I suppose that means in front Dembele-Suarez-Messi.
For me a 11s with Coutinho, Dembele, Suarez and Messi together won't work: midfield too weak defensively, we are in CL not in the liga.

For me:
Rakitic-Busquets-Vidal-(Coutinho)
-----(Coutinho)
------Messi-Suarez