Ernesto Valverde - V1

[George_Costanza]

You are simplifying it.
Real's destroyer is Casemiro.
Our destroyer is thin and slow Busi.

My point is, you are trying to copy Pep's team.
1. opponents have figured out us since then
2. further, Pep had 7 key ingredients: 3 best midfielders on their prime, 3 younger attackers and a RB Alves
That is not a midfield trio, but a midfield's 7 players, more or less.
3 midfielders, 2 of them (Xavi and Iniesta) which happen once in 100 years.
Prime GOAT. Etoo running like crazy, Henry running, Pedro running.
Alves, worth like 2 players on a flank.

And, now, you are trying to replicate Pep's midfield with horribly weak copies.
And even if we move away from that fact, what about 3 hard working forwards. What about prime Messi to kill the opponents, what about 2 in 1 Dani Alves?

So, Pep had 7 amazing players working as an attacking and defensive unit.
You have some 3 weak-ish copies and 4 guys nowhere close to those guys (old Messi, old Suarez, Dembele, Roberto).

So, imo, that midfield trio has nothing to do with Pep's 7-men team.

Real has:
1. better midfielders
2. destroyer Casemiro
3. more hardworking attackers
4. Marcelo as theirs Alves
5. CR7 for scoring with feet and head

Your idea more or less doesn't have any of those 5.

I'm not trying to simplify anything, it's just a formula to succeed in this system. Now, you want us to be like Pep's Barcelona? That's impossible because you are talking about the best team in the history. When I mentioned Pep, I meant overall his philosophy that he implemented in Barca, Bayern, and City. He did tweak it at City for example, by using his wingers to draw the opponents defensive to the side/touchline and stretch them, so the wingers can cross to the attackers who will have more space. Zidane copied last Pep model successfully because like you said Real had better players.

I agree with your last paragraph about Real, but we now have the players that have the potential to implement this system. Coutinho is a WC, Busquets lost pace (hence I said we should sign a player like Kante), but with the right support around him in the MF, he can still do well. Arthur is an interesting player, I can see him do very well if he has a mentor that believes in him, acknowledge his shortcomings, and develop his strength. Sorry but Valverde isn't that man. Same goes with Dembele.

First, you need a system guru who knows how to execute the 4-3-3. Klopp has Milner and Lallana. He made them look better than Busquets, Raki and Coutinho combined.

 

[gasgas]

Exactly the reason why I said Vidal to sub in for Busquets at halftime, we try to get goals in the first half maintain control. Attack is our best defence, obviously if you have a shit attacking system, no matter how good your defence, you are just making it easier for opponents to break u apart. Problem nowadays our defence are so exposed is also because the midfield cannot maintain control, the attack too clueless to provide any problems for opponents. Rakitic cannot deal with too much pressure and he is limited, here there's no Modric or Iniesta to cover his flaws.

Obviously, Coutinho is best utilised for his movements and workrate, best if he can provide some defensive work and runs, Dembele will be used more to stretch the opponents along with Semedo to cover at the back. I would also sub Malcolm in late for Suarez to try and provide as much workrate as possible. Rakitic can come in late as well.

You will be better off solving your attacking system first. U can keep solely focusing on defence while ignoring the malfunctioning system isnt gonna make things any better.

So you'll put in Vidal and ask him to cover for every ball that the front four lose?
there's no way you can maintain control with playera like Dembele, Coutinho who lose possession for fun.
You will always lose the ball amd when you do, it's murder because none of those three players in midfield has the required defenaive acumen

Don't get me started on the front three

Anyways i disagree with everything else so i will just say in summary:

What you have written there is all fantasy.
There are teams that have a better midfield three than that, who can keep the ball better, who can press better and can tackle to win the ball. And their forwards will press them and these days you have even Messi losing the ball at the center circle against small teams. Don't get me started with Dembele, Cou and Suarez. So in that case we will be counterattacked and Busi there will do nothig but watch. Coutinho is poor defensively, you don't teach this.

And , argh im wasting energy herw. Goodnight

 

[henias]

[MENTION=20484]gasgas[/MENTION] I'll still try Rakitic and Busquets if Coutinho is playing.

Then try Rakitic-Vidal-Arthur as a midfield trio.

Malcolm to sub in for Suarez. Or transform the front 3 as Coutinho-Messi-Dembele. Malcolm can sub in for Dembele as well, Coutinho- Messi-Malcom.

Obviously if I have the luxury of the coach to experiment I will, unfortunately this squad is too under explored to really tell the true potential of it.

 

[MTL_Barca]

You are simplifying it.
Real's destroyer is Casemiro.
Our destroyer is thin and slow Busi.

My point is, you are trying to copy Pep's team.
1. opponents have figured out us since then
2. further, Pep had 7 key ingredients: 3 best midfielders on their prime, 3 younger attackers and a RB Alves
That is not a midfield trio, but a midfield's 7 players, more or less.
3 midfielders, 2 of them (Xavi and Iniesta) which happen once in 100 years.
Prime GOAT. Etoo running like crazy, Henry running, Pedro running.
Alves, worth like 2 players on a flank.

And, now, you are trying to replicate Pep's midfield with horribly weak copies.
And even if we move away from that fact, what about 3 hard working forwards. What about prime Messi to kill the opponents, what about 2 in 1 Dani Alves?

So, Pep had 7 amazing players working as an attacking and defensive unit.
You have some 3 weak-ish copies and 4 guys nowhere close to those guys (old Messi, old Suarez, Dembele, Roberto).

So, imo, that midfield trio has nothing to do with Pep's 7-men team.

Real has:
1. better midfielders
2. destroyer Casemiro
3. more hardworking attackers
4. Marcelo as theirs Alves
5. CR7 for scoring with feet and head

Your idea more or less doesn't have any of those 5.

Welp so we're unfortunately forever stuck with slow ass 4-4-2 with no control, no speed and no offensive force

 

[Raketa10]

Leroy Sane and De bruyne,eriksen

First of all Coutinho is better than Eriksen and Dembele is better than Sane and secondly we could buy whoever we want but it wouldn't make any difference with Valverde still here. This guy would bench Mbappe easily.

 

[MagIX]

U can blame the coach, I blame the transfer board. Look how we are buying, dembele and Coutinho 280€ Million and the other useless transfers.

Sorry Coutinho and dembele are not worth fking 280€ Million. We could have bought better

Transfer market without logic and sense, without vision, no plan B, without ideas, without realizing how much soccer has changed and evolved over the years
For a time that we had such a huge budget at our diposal... poor management. Again and again and again and again looking for a replica of the dream team of Guardiola, same tactics trying to go through the middle with 10000 passes, they didn't realize we were in 2018. An old tactic that all opponents know prefectly, we have become so predictable that we become boring. Iniesta out: Coutinho in same tactics, Neymar out, Dembele in (not even a LW) same tactics, or thinking to play Messi as CF or false CF ? totally outdated, ridiculous to play in this way nowadays.
We talk about having Klopp.... but Klopp would have made a totally different transfer market, he would never think that playing
with Dembele-Coutinho-Suarez-Messi toghether we can win.

With this amount of budget... too bad, missed opportunity.
This management has to go home, we need fresh air, changes, new ideas, management with visions, without fear to look forward, and not pathetically and romantically attached to the past.

 

[FCBfan22]

Does this man know what a substitution is?
Does this man know what reading of the game is?

Really, just fuck off. We are leading by one goal. Tottenham plays high line. And he makes a defensive sub. DEFENSIVE SUB. In 81st minute. This is Barcelona, not fucking pre-2018 Chelski.


GTFO.

 

[El Gato]

^
Are you for real?

 

[DonAK]

Some decent adjustments tonight. Credit for playing Arthur. Now please don't drop him from the next game squad lol.

 

[Morten]

4 goals away vs Spurs, awful, sack him!

 

[Cule4life]

As i said in the chat Valverde would make subs after full time if he could

 

[FCBfan22]

I still don't like how the things are going. Yes 4 goals. But we have been gifted the 4th one via a stupid defensive error. It could've been close.

Our players look knackered at the end. He spoke about rotation at the beginning of the season and he doesn't sub anyone until the 81st minute. We almost bottled it again and were saved by Leo. Yes it's group stages, but, with this kind of play and inovations, we can only dream about CL.

 

[Raketa10]

We won but Tottenham played without Eriksen, Dele Ali, Aurier and Verthongen so nothing changes. Messi carried us on his back again, and we looked terrible in some parts of the game. What was different today was the amount of desire and work rate some players showed. They really wanted to win but we again played very chaotic football.

 

[MagIX]

+ midfielder, - attacker = balance

 

[Givenchy]

MAKE EARLIER SUBS

fucking hell.. this guy boils my blood. you could see our midfield were tired yet he waits til the 81st minute, crouching in his box watching the team concede chance after chance.

he got it right with the lineup, props for that but hes so brainless at times, he's like that 'this is fine' meme with the dog sitting in his chair while the room is on fire