henias
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This wont work either. Too narrow. Triple the slow workhorses, literally no creative output.
This wont work either. Too narrow. Triple the slow workhorses, literally no creative output.
Ahhh ... we are not allowed to criticise Rakitic !!
Sterlingfan2000
Active member
U can blame the coach, I blame the transfer board. Look how we are buying, dembele and Coutinho 280€ Million and the other useless transfers.
Sorry Coutinho and dembele are not worth fking 280€ Million. We could have bought better
Sorry Coutinho and dembele are not worth fking 280€ Million. We could have bought better
Cule4life
The Culest
Name those better players. And we paid 280m cos clubs knew we had the Neymar money.
Sterlingfan2000
Active member
Leroy Sane and De bruyne,eriksen
George_Costanza
Active member
So are you saying the 4-3-3 is outdated or doesn't work anymore?
Real won the consecutive UCLs using Casemiro as a destroyer, Kroos as passer/controller and Modric as creator/passer. City, Bayern, and Chelsea all are using the same combo.
For us, we have a destroyer who obviously work alone in the midfield nowadays and lack pace, hence he is overrun or can be pressed to make mistakes. Raki like someone mentioned, drift toward the right to support the RB instead of working along the destroyer, control the tempo and pass the ball forward. He is also a terrible passer and lacks vision. He actually always look before he passes the ball which is in a perfect 4-3-3 I mentioned under Pep or Sarri would be considered a crime. It will slow the attack, the opposition will know where the ball is going and either press or intercept.
Coutinho as a creator has been played out of position many times. He should stick in LM and move between Busquets and closer to the box just like Iniesta. He needs to master this position.
Also, the 4-3-3 requires a huge amount of discipline from its wide players, Dembele, Malcom has to track back and help with defensive duties. Same with full backs Semedo and Alba.
The system needs a manager who knows how to implement it. Having wrong ideas, players can't implement the system or miscommunication between players and the manager could lead the team to be exposed in the defensive.
henias
New member
For me
Semedo--Pique--Umtiti--Alba
--------Busquet(Vidal)
----Arthur------Coutinho
Dembele-Messi-Suarez
The thing about our system now is that Suarez is playmaking for Coutinho, the CMs drifting too far wide, no balance between left and right.
With my system, Dembele will try to stretch the right side, put in crosses to Suarez, with Semedo putting pressure, Arthur will try reduce pressure, allow more creative output (he does need more minutes to build his confidence), Vidal can sub for Busquets at half time to do the dirty work, Coutinho and Dembele will provide alot movement/mobility and Messi as a False 9 can pick out any loose ball. Suarez can also do the same and can occasionally provide runs. Rakitic for me is to limited in a 433, especially with the departure of Iniesta. He doesnt work well with Coutinho.
This is definitely by far the most balanced I can think of.
Semedo--Pique--Umtiti--Alba
--------Busquet(Vidal)
----Arthur------Coutinho
Dembele-Messi-Suarez
The thing about our system now is that Suarez is playmaking for Coutinho, the CMs drifting too far wide, no balance between left and right.
With my system, Dembele will try to stretch the right side, put in crosses to Suarez, with Semedo putting pressure, Arthur will try reduce pressure, allow more creative output (he does need more minutes to build his confidence), Vidal can sub for Busquets at half time to do the dirty work, Coutinho and Dembele will provide alot movement/mobility and Messi as a False 9 can pick out any loose ball. Suarez can also do the same and can occasionally provide runs. Rakitic for me is to limited in a 433, especially with the departure of Iniesta. He doesnt work well with Coutinho.
This is definitely by far the most balanced I can think of.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Hmmmm, no.
People don't blame young players first, they do it to the stars/legends of the club because they have been good for some time so they naturally refuse to face the fact they have declined until it is too obvious. But after them young players are the ones given biggest leeway of mistakes.
Rakitic for example has been the most doubted player in Barca since he has arrived, because he is neither a syuper star and didn't arrive as a young player.
soul24rage
Senior Member
I like your lineup and system, plus with alba pushing up more with Semedo a little more withdrawn, it will allow Suarez more inside more as a Left forward and allow to make space vertically for Messi and Suarez can get into goalscoring opportunities.
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please enlighten us on how that team will defend, considering many players there have a tendency to lose the ball often: dembele, coutinho, messi, suarez with his dummies and slow pace and even busi these days
Cule4life
The Culest
Wait what? Those players were not available and are not better than Coutinho and Dembele.
Look at that Roma team that knocked us out of UCL.
how many of their players are better than ours?
BBZ8800
Senior Member
You are simplifying it.
Real's destroyer is Casemiro.
Our destroyer is thin and slow Busi.
My point is, you are trying to copy Pep's team.
1. opponents have figured out us since then
2. further, Pep had 7 key ingredients: 3 best midfielders on their prime, 3 younger attackers and a RB Alves
That is not a midfield trio, but a midfield's 7 players, more or less.
3 midfielders, 2 of them (Xavi and Iniesta) which happen once in 100 years.
Prime GOAT. Etoo running like crazy, Henry running, Pedro running.
Alves, worth like 2 players on a flank.
And, now, you are trying to replicate Pep's midfield with horribly weak copies.
And even if we move away from that fact, what about 3 hard working forwards. What about prime Messi to kill the opponents, what about 2 in 1 Dani Alves?
So, Pep had 7 amazing players working as an attacking and defensive unit.
You have some 3 weak-ish copies and 4 guys nowhere close to those guys (old Messi, old Suarez, Dembele, Roberto).
So, imo, that midfield trio has nothing to do with Pep's 7-men team.
Real has:
1. better midfielders
2. destroyer Casemiro
3. more hardworking attackers
4. Marcelo as theirs Alves
5. CR7 for scoring with feet and head
Your idea more or less doesn't have any of those 5.
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henias
New member
Exactly the reason why I said Vidal to sub in for Busquets at halftime, we try to get goals in the first half maintain control. Attack is our best defence, obviously if you have a shit attacking system, no matter how good your defence, you are just making it easier for opponents to break u apart. Problem nowadays our defence are so exposed is also because the midfield cannot maintain control, the attack too clueless to provide any problems for opponents. Rakitic cannot deal with too much pressure and he is limited, here there's no Modric or Iniesta to cover his flaws.
Obviously, Coutinho is best utilised for his movements and workrate, best if he can provide some defensive work and runs, Dembele will be used more to stretch the opponents along with Semedo to cover at the back. I would also sub Malcolm in late for Suarez to try and provide as much workrate as possible. Rakitic can come in late as well.
You will be better off solving your attacking system first. U can keep solely focusing on defence while ignoring the malfunctioning system isnt gonna make things any better.
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MagIX
Senior Member
It's not a question of which player is better, but which player we need.
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