Ernesto Valverde - V1

clemente

New member
Dembele:
So, if he hasn't start progressing right away, that is ALWAYS on "a stupid coach"?
What about a kid who had problems with food, waking up, coming to trainings, stretching before matches, learning Spanish, playing playstation every night, who was slipping during matches like Alexis Sanchez in his first few Months here etc?
So, if he didn't click right away=it must be a coach and not one of 1000s of other possible reasons?

Arthur:
From what I have seen, he didn't play forward passes at all at Gremio and in the first few Months here.
Lately he is playing forward passes way more.
Also, he was dead tired after 45-50 minutes in his first weeks here.
Lately he is ok until a minute 60-70, so he improved in stamina's department also.
I guess it won't be up to EV and our coaching staff who talked with him, but about Arthur who improved "on his own".

Mats:
I don't see lately stupid goals from half of a pitch, or his frosty the frozen reactions, or crazy things when he was dribbling players near a corner flag for no logical reason.
I guess that coaches have nothing to do with him not doing those things anymore.

Semedo:
Looked like a total trash in the last season and in the beginning of this season.
Lately he is not actually a new Alves, but is quite a decent player, BETTER than Semedo from the last year.
I won't comment about that myth where Semedo played awesome in the first few matches and how EV killed his confidence.
He had 1-2 good games and then disappeared even without EV.

Lenglet:
Not too many believed in him when we signed him.
Now he is not much worse than Umtiti who is injured.
Either people didn't know about his skills or he raised his level even more.

Alena:
Looked like a crazy turnover machine until now.
Lately he is doing less mistakes and keeping it more calm and less run and gun.

Also, isn't Alba looking better than ever under EV?

I mean, if you guys don't like EV, everything will be wrong.
But tbf, lately he even started rotating.
Malcom started to play, Alena started to play, Messi/Suarez/Busi/Raki were rotated lately. Vidal is playing a lot.
Alba is rested sometimes.
Ev is making subs even before the 80th minute lately.

He is not Pep, but he is nowhere near as bad as you guys are making him to be.
Reading some posts here, it seems like he turned Messi, Coutinho and all players into Andre Gomes' level with his bad coaching.

Dembele not playing playstation and having bad diet doesn't mean its coaches accomplishments, its his, he got his act together, he realized that he is being paid 500k a week which gives him a big responsibility and has an oopportunity to build a legacy, EV has nothing to do with this.

I don't know if Arthur played forward passes at Gremio but I'm 100% sure you don't know either. What I do know that he had a knack there to score goals which we haven't seen him do here after his 1st game (after he was exposed to EV). I don't know why would you reward Valverde for Arthurs fitness levels getting better when we have 3 conditioning coaches, but not surprised you don't know that either.

Again how can EV have anything to do with Mats doing less mistakes? It can't be just Mats maturing? Improving with age? We also have a goalkeeping coach but I don't expect you to know that much.

Semedo has literally been THE SAME his whole carreer here except his first 2 matches. He played amazing great twice, got completely benched and since then he was just a world-class defender and average attacker, literally nothing changed, I think its just a football fan short-term memory syndrome. Watch a random highlight of his from this season and from last season and you won't see a difference.

So you are saying that Lenglet didn't improve or you don't even know if he improved? Why even mention him in the first post then?

Alena never was a turnover machine, on top of that he simply never played.

He is bad, his coaching is ineffective, our youth isn't improving, players look depressed to me despite playing for the best club in the world in a beatiful city, I could go on and on.

But I understand why people like you defend him, everything seems fine right now, we aren't "losing" games, if you look just at the results, we are doing great, I just wonder where fans like you are going to be if we get knocked out by Lyon :lol:
 

Sorin

Well-known member
Eusebio with 10 man outplaying Valverde with 11. Our manager guys.

But we are winning so who cares am I right? It's not like football is entertainment or anything. All we care is to follow the score on flashscore.
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
10 man Girona outplaying Barca, another highlight to be added to EV's reel.

Not really. We were helped by them being red-carded though.

It is noticeable that we simply cannot play with this midfield. Rakitic and Busquets shouldn't start together.
 

Cule4life

The Culest
I don't want to hate him. He's been coming back to his senses with the rotations and dropping Coutinho from the first XI. Now if he could stop playing Rakitic and Busi together and implement off the ball movements i would start tolerating him a little.
 

Leong157

Member
Out played by 10 men Girona is so depressing. I think we got lucky there with red card ,so many miss chances by Girona and MATS.

Also those 2 goals came from Girona own mistake as well. No creativity nor any attacking pattern involve in those goals.
 

bismp

Well-known member
Laughing at people saying that Valverde improved Messi :lol::lol: :lol:

First of all,a player of Leo’s caliber,age and experience have almost nothing to gain from a mediocre or decent at best manager like Valverde.

Secondly,yeah Messi is playing great this season(better than last season for example,but that was mostly on Valverde’s stagnant offensive tactics,which were more prevalent last year),but is he really playing the “best football of his life”? :lol:

People have short memories,the man was a BEAST in 2016/17(Lucho’s last season),let alone in 2015 or any year between 2011 and 2013.At this pace,Leo will have another 50-55 goals season,which is otherworldly for all the mortal players,but pretty average for him.

What i’m saying is that Leo is playing well because he is fucking Lionel Messi:he will outplay anyone on the field,unless he plays in a team with absolutely no system or decent teammates (eg 2018 Argentina or late 2013/14 Barca).

What Valverde has to do is to provide him with decent tactics so that he can be unleashed against better teams in the CL,which I seriously doubt right now.

To be fair with Ernesto though,the team seems to be playing a little bit better now and dare I say this is the “best” consistent football we’ve seen the past 1,5 years.If he can further utilize players like Arthur,Dembele,Vidal etc and bring Coutinho back from the dead,maybe just maybe we have a chance at the CL.

But right now we seriously struggle against medioce teams,just like last year.
 
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serghei

Senior Member
It's possible that we didn't give 100% because we have an important game in 3 days. I don't think we should throw the towel in the Copa. It makes sense to try to win this game on low energy mode if we plan to go at it vs Sevilla and overturn the first leg result.
 
#valverdeout

pathetic & naive...

first everyone cries about boring 4-4-2
-now he plays attacking 4-3-3

doesn't give chances to youngsters
-dembele, arthur are starters and alena is playing semi-regularly (even more kids in copa)


he plays same xi every week
-he rotating more in jan and in copa than any barca coach in recent history

stop crying all the time, valverde is very underrated and is above average coach. the players like him too and there is improvement.

the team is slow and boring sometimes because of untouchable senior players who r above any manager not because of valverde.

folks crying about valverde will eat their words when he leaves and some naive guy like quqie setien comes, the team leaves huge gaps and collapses.
 

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