Ernesto Valverde - V1

kollegah

Senior Member
Who should beat Fc Barcelona?
We play bad and win 3-0 at bernabeu, what would have happend if Arthur (fully fit), Messi and Dembouz had a gala day?
 

Xaviniesta

Senior Member
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Gaudi

Senior Member
It's easier to critique after a win, especially after a win against the biggest rival but how many people still think this is some Barca dna type of football?
This is static movement, slow passing to the feet type of football and then after a mistake some hail mary defence. I watched Dinamo Zagreb a week ago and they destroyed Victoria with quick passing and yet had 40% possession. I'm not comparing either teams but style: I don't want us to become cross merchants or counter attack team but this is nothing, truly nothing. Neither organized defence neither attack with any idea what to do or how to move, this is just plain, boring keeping the possession and hoping either Messi will do something or opponents will make mistake.
Yesterday, during the match I said in the chat Dembele is bad, we all think Coutinho is out of form and so on, but I'm not even sure about all that?! How many players can play in this "style", this type of football? I mean Vinicius was 1 on 1 vs Semedo like 15 times yesterday, Benzema 1 on 1 vs Pique and so on...imagine Messi having 10 1 on 1 situations every match? Or Dembele, or Coutinho? Yet, Dembele always got the ball to his feet surrounded with 2 or 3 players. I even believe he would be in great form if he played for L'pool or similar.
This type of football is also completely diminishing our scouting pool, I mean how many players can fit in this type of system?
What worries me the most is they do talk they played bad but reading Valverde we need to control ball better, close the gaps and so on...yet noone is mentioning number one thing for me: LACK OF ANY DYNAMIC!
 

Havesaks

Senior Member
It's easier to critique after a win, especially after a win against the biggest rival but how many people still think this is some Barca dna type of football?
This is static movement, slow passing to the feet type of football and then after a mistake some hail mary defence. I watched Dinamo Zagreb a week ago and they destroyed Victoria with quick passing and yet had 40% possession. I'm not comparing either teams but style: I don't want us to become cross merchants or counter attack team but this is nothing, truly nothing. Neither organized defence neither attack with any idea what to do or how to move, this is just plain, boring keeping the possession and hoping either Messi will do something or opponents will make mistake.
Yesterday, during the match I said in the chat Dembele is bad, we all think Coutinho is out of form and so on, but I'm not even sure about all that?! How many players can play in this "style", this type of football? I mean Vinicius was 1 on 1 vs Semedo like 15 times yesterday, Benzema 1 on 1 vs Pique and so on...imagine Messi having 10 1 on 1 situations every match? Or Dembele, or Coutinho? Yet, Dembele always got the ball to his feet surrounded with 2 or 3 players. I even believe he would be in great form if he played for L'pool or similar.
This type of football is also completely diminishing our scouting pool, I mean how many players can fit in this type of system?
What worries me the most is they do talk they played bad but reading Valverde we need to control ball better, close the gaps and so on...yet noone is mentioning number one thing for me: LACK OF ANY DYNAMIC!

Well we do have an old and unbalanced squad; dynamic is physical excositing, and Valverdes probably wants to keep it simple and play this season out the way we do right now. Arthur was out as well. Maybe minus ChL quarter finale, semi and finale + copa finale.

Next season with a lot of fresh blood to midfield and ST position, it will get better
 

Messigician

Senior Member
Well we do have an old and unbalanced squad; dynamic is physical excositing, and Valverdes probably wants to keep it simple and play this season out the way we do right now. Arthur was out as well. Maybe minus ChL quarter finale, semi and finale + copa finale.

Next season with a lot of fresh blood to midfield and ST position, it will get better

Or u know messi, Suarez and Pique decline, De Ligt and De Jokg fail to adapt and we are royally screwed while Madrid have a frontline of Rodrygo Mbappe Vinicius
 

Havesaks

Senior Member
Or u know messi, Suarez and Pique decline, De Ligt and De Jokg fail to adapt and we are royally screwed while Madrid have a frontline of Rodrygo Mbappe Vinicius

Messi will decline bit by bit, so thats fine. Suarez decline + new CF > Suarez +(munir). Pique is top 4 performer this season with Messi, Alba and Arthur, can't really see why he would decline drastically? Anyway, MDL is class through and through, the same de jong. Umtiti also looks to be all right again, big plus for our playmaking and defensive stability next season. Lenglet has been solid, but thats all, he isn't real world class like pique, Umtiti, Varane, ramos etc. Semedo a year older and a more solid role in the team. Rakitic probably sold, so our midfield can start to play again with two real CM instead this version new Rakitic version (doesn't mean he isn't still WC) he just doesn't fit the team anymore that well (partly because of messis hybrid role). Dembele a year older. Our next season will look more promising. Im would like Coutinho sold and another wc player brought in as well.

We don't even now if Vinicius ever will get real end product? Look at hazard in his end twenties and still never got anything near wc end product. Rodrygo? Is he good? Mbappe? Just as likely that we can get him, he will play in ligue 1 for at least 2 years more.

It will be fine man.
 

Havesaks

Senior Member
Mbappe won't be in Madrid for at least 4 years...

You sure about that? 4 years and he will be 24, and ligue 1 won't develop that quickly, it will first be considered good in like 10 years at least. Mbappe has high ambitions for himself, and i do think that he wants to make his move rather sooner than later. At least 2 year, max 3 years.
 

FCBfan22

Senior Member
You sure about that? 4 years and he will be 24, and ligue 1 won't develop that quickly, it will first be considered good in like 10 years at least. Mbappe has high ambitions for himself, and i do think that he wants to make his move rather sooner than later. At least 2 year, max 3 years.

I believe Nasser would rather commit suicide than sell Mbappe at this point. Neymar will be gone before Mbappe.

His contract will either run out or he will go for stupid money, something like 500 million, which no club can afford at the moment.
 

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