Let me ask you, did you even bother to read the premise i stated in the end of my post? Clearly not. I said, that Valverde is a long-term manager by nature. So if he can continue to develop a barca-like philosphy, and gradually reach a point where fans are pleased with the astetic of the playing-style, i could see him as manager who stays here for a long period.
Let me ask you, did you even bother to read the premise i stated in the end of my post? Clearly not. I said, that Valverde is a long-term manager by nature. So if he can continue to develop a barca-like philosphy, and gradually reach a point where fans are pleased with the astetic of the playing-style, i could see him as manager who stays here for a long period.
George_Costanza
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Yes bro, I read it! Valverde is with Barca for almost 2 seasons. Did you see any slight sign that he will change? When you say "If he continues to develop a Barca-like philosophy", I knew you either don't watch our games or you don't understand what's Barca's philosophy. Continue means he began something and he is carrying along with it. Which of course isn't true.
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Cule4life
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The best post I've seen today
Yeah only way it would be better is if he posted Valgreen nudes for your pleasure
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henias
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So all just because he switched from a 442 to a pseudo 433, which is supposed to be the default formation for Barcelona for ages now, is somehow a huge achievement? You stooped to mediocrity, but it really doesnt mean people are the entitled ones. You believe you shouldn't be labelled Valverde fanboy, but the rest who are critical of him should be labelled as plain haters.. Sounds about right. Some of Valgreen's cult mental gymnastics are just asking for it.
You were also quick to call out on "haters" right after a good result.
Tbh, a few good results here and there still doesnt change who he is. He is still a slow witted, inept, submissive manager who couldn't be bothered to make full potential of a stacked star-studded squad at hand. He stays closely guarded to a paradigm, even subs are always 1 for 1 and extremely predictable, even an AI could do the same.
Pretty much the seniors are running the team now, and especially with Messi this motivated, Im pretty sure any manager would look extremely godlike if you were to just look at results. Playstyle wise and player development is simply not up to par.
And stop having the misconception that playing defensive will win us games because that's exactly the shit that screwed us over.
Valverde is the type of guy that will fuck up potential success for us, so even if we manage to win this year's CL, chances are he will fuck it up in the coming years. Also, considering Zidane is back in La Liga and could be looking for reinforements so La Liga wouldnt be a stroll for us. Still would want him gone on a high note.
Switching from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 while having a great track record with 4-4-2 and it fitted the group of players we had more than 4-3-3, is pretty much prove of it. As said, he develops slowly a more barca-like playing style, and he can just do so much with the players the club provides him and the results Barca are expected to get. Not even Pep could play total or tiki-taka-football and win titles with this squad. Paulinho was sold, and Arthur was implemented in the starting line-up, because he had the quality and profile (while also having barca-dna-traits) to play for us.
But yeah, if you think, that the only way to be a barca fan is that you no matter what support the cruyff-model even tho it means we wont be relevant for any throphies and may do us big harm in the long run, then we dont really have anything to debate about.
Im fine with taking a more pragmatic stand for the time being, so we can compete in all competions and secure us titles and make the club better globaly. Doesnt mean i dont want Barca to play total-tiki/taka football - thats the ideal we have to work towards, but we can take a more pragmatic stand in a situation like the one we are in with a lot of our all-time club legends having retired / quit the team and losing Messis succesor in Neymar. And im not the only one, thinking this way, even Pique openly supports Valverde, while being a life-long club member, having ambition of being president, grandson of former president, often has supported the "barca-way" in media, generally has strong feelings about the club and always honest in the media. You tell me Pique doesnt know anything about what Barca is about?
Edit: Its not like we play mourinho-football. And defending a lead has happened less and less (also prove of valverdes ambition to reach a point to play barca-like football). And please dont tell me we tried to defend the lead against Lyon, we clearly didnt.
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Horatio
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Watch your mouth or Ill post nudies of latinas.
So all just because he switched from a 442 to a pseudo 433, which is supposed to be the default formation for Barcelona for ages now, is somehow a huge achievement? You stooped to mediocrity, but it really doesnt mean people are the entitled ones. You believe you shouldn't be labelled Valverde fanboy, but the rest who are critical of him should be labelled as plain haters.. Sounds about right. Some of Valgreen's cult mental gymnastics are just asking for it.
You were also quick to call out on "haters" right after a good result.
Tbh, a few good results here and there still doesnt change who he is. He is still a slow witted, inept, submissive manager who couldn't be bothered to make full potential of a stacked star-studded squad at hand. He stays closely guarded to a paradigm, even subs are always 1 for 1 and extremely predictable, even an AI could do the same.
Pretty much the seniors are running the team now, and especially with Messi this motivated, Im pretty sure any manager would look extremely godlike if you were to just look at results. Playstyle wise and player development is simply not up to par.
And stop having the misconception that playing defensive will win us games because that's exactly the shit that screwed us over.
Valverde is the type of guy that will fuck up potential success for us, so even if we manage to win this year's CL, chances are he will fuck it up in the coming years. Also, considering Zidane is back in La Liga and could be looking for reinforements so La Liga wouldnt be a stroll for us. Still would want him gone on a high note.
A more defensive concept after ney-gate, without iniesta (and xavi who wasnt replaced, but now is) won us two titles and screwed us over in one match against Roma.
Well, as said, 4-4-2 did fit us better, and anyway he mad the switch. Also Arthur has been implemented in the team. And less and less we see us defending a lead. If the club provides the right players, Valverde will make the switch. Now we have de jong and alena+1year. So lets see next season, my bet is, Rakitic will still be the main midfielder with Sergio and Arthur, but rakitic will have his minutes reduced quiet a lot in favor of alena and de jong. And thats how i should be.
Horatio
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So all just because he switched from a 442 to a pseudo 433, which is supposed to be the default formation for Barcelona for ages now, is somehow a huge achievement? You stooped to mediocrity, but it really doesnt mean people are the entitled ones. You believe you shouldn't be labelled Valverde fanboy, but the rest who are critical of him should be labelled as plain haters.. Sounds about right. Some of Valgreen's cult mental gymnastics are just asking for it.
You were also quick to call out on "haters" right after a good result.
Tbh, a few good results here and there still doesnt change who he is. He is still a slow witted, inept, submissive manager who couldn't be bothered to make full potential of a stacked star-studded squad at hand. He stays closely guarded to a paradigm, even subs are always 1 for 1 and extremely predictable, even an AI could do the same.
Pretty much the seniors are running the team now, and especially with Messi this motivated, Im pretty sure any manager would look extremely godlike if you were to just look at results. Playstyle wise and player development is simply not up to par.
And stop having the misconception that playing defensive will win us games because that's exactly the shit that screwed us over.
Valverde is the type of guy that will fuck up potential success for us, so even if we manage to win this year's CL, chances are he will fuck it up in the coming years. Also, considering Zidane is back in La Liga and could be looking for reinforements so La Liga wouldnt be a stroll for us. Still would want him gone on a high note.
You are a master at changing narratives and wording things in a way that will misrepresent the sentiment of whomever said what you are addressing, Ill give you that.
A master is a funny way to put it. I just think he is confused and loses the overview. And his confirmation-bias is pretty fucking strong, at least regarding valverde. And for us other its difficult where to start and where to end a reasonable response. Creating mass-confussion all around him. But its not than uncommon. I would love to see a conversation between him and Trump. They could take for ages and not getting anywhere.
henias
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Not nearly as good as EV fans. I merely stated the sheer paradox of your statement, how you see yourself as opposed to the rest, ironically labelled by you as "haters".
I don't think this squad should be struggling to get results, but when it comes to EV, expectations are always lower so any good results that come by gets over glorified. I think over the past 2 seasons it's Bartomeu that really boost the depth of our squad as compared to previous seasons. It's the hiring of managers that never seem to be ambitious.
In any case, you always post about EV doing a great job whenever a seemingly good result comes by but eventually shatters the next few games, especially during the late season. La Liga definitely has dropped in standards, in particular the downfall of Real Madrid and the stagnation of Atletico.
In terms of knowledge, ability and player development, EV really falls behind. I believe another safe manager or an AI would yield the same result. One who depends on injuries to rotate, subs the same people/ position almost every game isn't "handling the situation" well, because I jolly well know this is the type of shit that would trip the club over.
While the circumstances does look great now, as it always does in early seasons, that honestly doesnt mean "he is handling the situation well" and certainly will not be in the future. The way he handles things is pretty amateur and depends on the senior players to pull strings, at the same time not giving them rests.
It's just comical.
Believing in the squad or believing in the manager is two different teams. I have 100% confidence in the squad, but the manager tends to screw things over. You can give him another season or a lifetime for all you want, but you'll just end up seeing no progress in the club, let alone another major trophy. Lucho did get the treble in first season, but subsequently problems start to surface.
Messigician
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Cant wait for the board to announce a 7 year contract for EV after the treble so I can see who the real fans of the club are and who are here just for glory hunting
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