Ernesto Valverde

[BBZ8800]

Exactly! And it's not like they have been winning much less!! They have been as dominating in the league as we have in the last decade - but still they have been ruthless when it comes to managers when the team is under-performing in Europe

Bayern is not as strict as Barca regarding Barca DNA with their coaches.
More or less, any successful coach can be hired by Bayern, so they have more options.
We, on the other hand, can't hire ANYONE, but only coaches who (on paper) have lots of connections with Barca.

Regarding Wenger, lol.
Wenger was one of the biggest modern losers in his last years at Arsenal.
The only thing what he can offer is a semi-beautiful attacking play and his fetish for teen boys.
In terms of results, we would probably end as 4th in La Liga and exit in CL's 1/8 in every season.

Lately there is more and more talk about Ronald Koeman.
He can't leave in this moment, so he is probably a 90% safe bet for the summer of 2020 after Euros.
1. EV can't be fired now since he has won a double
2. there aren't available coaches currently with Barca's DNA and with a required quality
3. plus, we are waiting for Koeman

If we would sack EV now, we would create problems for Koeman:
= if an interim coach would be good, what to do then? To keep a new guy in a season 2020/21 or sack a new successful guy and go for Koeman?

Also, on paper, in this moment, Koeman is ticking every single box needed for Barca's coach:
1. he is either Catalan or Dutch
2. he is a former Barca's player
3. he is a former very successful Barca's player (a legend)
4. he was a part of Crujff's Dream team, like Pep and he learned from Crujff
He won Champions league in 1992, scoring a winning free kick goal for 1:0 against Sampdoria.
And on an NT level, he won Euros 1988 with Van Basten, Gullit and Rijkaard.
5. he has a coaching experience
6. he has coached some big clubs/big NTs/big names
7. he finally has some big NT results under his name
8. he is mentally stable, unlike Sampaoli, Bielsa, Valdes and other flavors of the Month
9 he has a leader personality (at least he had it as a player)

So, on paper he really looks like a perfect coach for Barca for the next era (3-4-5 seasons) when we will need to turn the page and play without Messi and Club de amigos.
Regarding his style as a player:

A composed player on the ball, Koeman was capable of being deployed both as a defender and as a midfielder, and he frequently played as a sweeper, due to his vision and his ability on the ball.
Regarded as one of the best and most prolific attacking central defenders of all time, Koeman was renowned for his long-range passing, as well as his shooting accuracy and power from distance, especially on free kicks, and is the top scoring defender in world football; he was also an accurate penalty kick taker.

So:
1. since he was a central defender/pivot/sweeper during his whole career=there is a nice chance that he finally organize our defense, since he knows everything about defending
2. since he was the most attacking central defender of all time and Crujff used his as some kind of a central defender version of Busi/De Jong/Arthur who was build our play from the back and bringing the ball into the opponent's half, he will surely know a thing or two about building from the back, press resistance, off the ball movement, passing.
3. regarding the attack, since he was a more cautious coach till now, let's hope that he has learned a lot about that area in the last few years, especially in a Netherlands NT team since they are playing an awesome attacking play
4. also, Frenkie will maybe be used better (as a brain) under Koeman

Personally, he is by far my favorite long term choice (regarding Xavi: he needs a lot of coaching and proving before he should come here).
Some of Koeman's videos from Barca's days:
In a season 1993/1994 he was Champions league best scorer (lol) even though he played as a central defender:

Barca's career, nickname Rambo:

 

[LMTR14]

This guy....

What is he hoping for? Relegation.

Third season in a row we are suffering and Barto keeps defending this asshole Shitverde.

The club has become a joke. Barto's only interest in the club is financial.

I am at a loss for words....

there's a baseball manga, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Outs, where the owner of the club has a bet going with his star player, doing everything he can to sabotage his performance (and thus the team) in order to win a lot of money from the player. maybe there's something like that going on at barca too... only way I can try to make sense of Bartomeu's statements

 

[Vilarrubi]

Bayern is not as strict as Barca regarding Barca DNA with their coaches.
More or less, any successful coach can be hired by Bayern, so they have more options.
We, on the other hand, can't hire ANYONE, but only coaches who (on paper) have lots of connections with Barca.

Regarding Wenger, lol.
Wenger was one of the biggest modern losers in his last years at Arsenal.
The only thing what he can offer is a semi-beautiful attacking play and his fetish for teen boys.
In terms of results, we would probably end as 4th in La Liga and exit in CL's 1/8 in every season.

Lately there is more and more talk about Ronald Koeman.
He can't leave in this moment, so he is probably a 90% safe bet for the summer of 2020 after Euros.
1. EV can't be fired now since he has won a double
2. there aren't available coaches currently with Barca's DNA and with a required quality
3. plus, we are waiting for Koeman

If we would sack EV now, we would create problems for Koeman:
= if an interim coach would be good, what to do then? To keep a new guy in a season 2020/21 or sack a new successful guy and go for Koeman?

Also, on paper, in this moment, Koeman is ticking every single box needed for Barca's coach:
1. he is either Catalan or Dutch
2. he is a former Barca's player
3. he is a former very successful Barca's player (a legend)
4. he was a part of Crujff's Dream team, like Pep and he learned from Crujff
He won Champions league in 1992, scoring a winning free kick goal for 1:0 against Sampdoria.
And on an NT level, he won Euros 1988 with Van Basten, Gullit and Rijkaard.
5. he has a coaching experience
6. he has coached some big clubs/big NTs/big names
7. he finally has some big NT results under his name
8. he is mentally stable, unlike Sampaoli, Bielsa, Valdes and other flavors of the Month
9 he has a leader personality (at least he had it as a player)

So, on paper he really looks like a perfect coach for Barca for the next era (3-4-5 seasons) when we will need to turn the page and play without Messi and Club de amigos.
Regarding his style as a player:


So:
1. since he was a central defender/pivot/sweeper during his whole career=there is a nice chance that he finally organize our defense, since he knows everything about defending
2. since he was the most attacking central defender of all time and Crujff used his as some kind of a central defender version of Busi/De Jong/Arthur who was build our play from the back and bringing the ball into the opponent's half, he will surely know a thing or two about building from the back, press resistance, off the ball movement, passing.
3. regarding the attack, since he was a more cautious coach till now, let's hope that he has learned a lot about that area in the last few years, especially in a Netherlands NT team since they are playing an awesome attacking play
4. also, Frenkie will maybe be used better (as a brain) under Koeman

Personally, he is by far my favorite long term choice (regarding Xavi: he needs a lot of coaching and proving before he should come here).
Some of Koeman's videos from Barca's days:
In a season 1993/1994 he was Champions league best scorer (lol) even though he played as a central defender:

Barca's career, nickname Rambo:

Solid choice. Was hot and cold (very cold) at Everton, but the Dutch team are playing class football under him with big results against Germany, France, England. When you consider where Netherlands were before he took over, missing out on 2016 EURO's and 2018 World Cup, it's an even better accomplishment.

 

[LMTR14]

Levante got us chasing the ball around like a snake in a sugar cane field.

I expect a much improved second half

what does a snake chase in a sugar cane field? I don't get that metaphor

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

Regarding Mourinho:

Not even going to mention how his teams play. This blatant show of disrespect was unforgivable, especially considering the history between him and the club. How anyone could even think about, let alone actually suggest him as a coach here is nothing short of ridiculous. That scumbag doesn’t even deserve us in our currently besmirched state, I’ll give credit to Zidane because he at least got El Clasico back to being a classy affair where he at least tries to get Real to outplay us, even though they usually fail. Those clasicos with Mou were fucking gong shows, he single-handedly almost destroyed the Spanish NT with his vitriol. All that and you wanna give this man the chance to manage a player whose career he has actively tried to end (and almost succeeded in ending) for the last 15 years?! Please.

Regarding Koeman:

I’m super 50/50 on this dude. [MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] outlines a lot of the obvious pluses with him but what concerns me is his tenures with Southampton and Everton. I’m worried he might be tempted to continue Valverde’s trend of trying to get us to be more defensively solid and play around with 5-back systems (5-3-2 largely) and I’m just so over that idea. To be fair, there is every chance that he set them up more “pragmatically” because of the squads he had and I’ll fully recognize and acknowledge that. It’d be interesting to see if he went the other way with that setup and had us play around with a 3-4-3 in certain situations, something myself and others have been calling out for quite some time now. His performance with the Dutch has been impressive though, so again that’s why I’m 50/50: I see ways it could work, I see other ways it couldn’t and it’s way too speculative to be able to determine which is the more likely at this point.

My other concern with Koeman however is squad management. I haven’t quite given up on all the senior players yet but they clearly need a serious boot up the arse style of manager who takes no bullshit, gives no quarter and demands nothing less but the same from his players on the pitch (this point in particular is why I like “The Lamborghini Guy” lol a lot). Or just someone who will actually play players in their natural positions for once, but I digress. The egos on this team are out of this world right now and extremely hard to manage. There is no question Koeman is a legend but I’m skeptical of whether or not he could manage the sheer amount of different egos on this squad. You either have to be a master man-manager or go the Pep route and look to squash all ego and breed a collective mentality. Can Koeman do either of those things? Again, probably even harder to say as he hasn’t come close to a comparable situation yet as a manger.

I certainly won’t be upset if he comes and I’ll obviously rejoice this nightmare has finally ended but I will have my lingering skepticism about Koeman and will watch his start very closely.

I’m still clinging to hope that the squatting cuck will be gone if we totally collapse before the end of the year but if that Barto quote is real, this ain’t happening until 2020.

God help us all.

 

[LMTR14]

Lol, this guy speaks like a character from The Trial by Franz Kafka.

how's that. Josel K. is always revolting against his fate (other than in the last chapter)

 

[Raketa10]

Neither Koeman nor Gallardo are sure bets. Both of the two have 50/50 chance of succeeding here but both of them are by far superior solutions in comparison to this parasite and we simply have to take the risk! Allegri and Mou are probably not good fits and Xavi is not ready yet. Ten Hag on the other side probably won't come because of the language barrier so those two are our only legit candidates at the moment.

 

[BBZ8800]

Neither Koeman nor Gallardo are sure bets. Both of the two have 50/50 chance of succeeding here but both of them are by far superior solutions in comparison to this parasite and we simply have to take the risk! Allegri and Mou are probably not good fits and Xavi is not ready yet. Ten Hag on the other side probably won't come because of the language barrier so those two are our only legit candidates at the moment.

Tbh, I don't get this current obsession with Gallardo.

Zero Barca's connections.
Meh as a player. Lots of shiny moves, not too much end product and impact on the highest level.
As a personality, he was always a nice and friendly guy.
Never fighting, not a leader or a captain, not an imposing and dominant personality.
As a coach, he has results only in South America. Where even Tata and Sampaoli looked awesome, haven't they?
He has never coached big names, he didn't have to clash with big egos, not to mention a pressure at Barca from media and fans.

I get it, he plays an eye pleasing football and he is young, an analogy to Fati, Puig and similar "young players with potential and nice moves".
Even Sarri played nice at Napoli and is a different coach at Chelsea and Juventus.
In the last 3-4 years, our forum had a few similar obsessions who luckily, died quickly: Sampaoli at Sevilla, Jardim at Monaco, Sarri at Napoli, Setien at Betis.

So, for me currently, Koeman is miles ahead of Gallardo.
I would make an analogy: Gallardo is like Fati. He has a lot of potential, but he has a long way to go and lots of developing and proving to do until he will be ready for the 1st team.
Not to mention that we don't know anything about his mental strength, working under pressure etc.

 

[MTL_Barca]

Didn't really like what i saw of Koeman in PL so that is a concern. Dutch NT is hot and cold as well, but definitely an improvement from past years. But maybe he's ready for a big club now, who knows but i'm not fully convinced.

But then again none of the options is a sure thing and almost everyone seems like a big improvement compared to Ernie

No matter who they hire i just hope we get a coach that wants to attack and isn't the bitch of Barto and the seniors. Valverde football and personality is so depressing.

 

[Messigician]

Koemam? LOL will be a situation of be careful of what you wish for... grass isn't always greener on the other side.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Koeman finished 6th with Southampton (their highest ever) and Everton 7th after they finished 11th the season before under Martinez, qualifying them both for Europa. He’s not perfect by any stretch but people tend to remember only his last season with Everton.

 

[DAMNit]

All for ValverdeOUT! But not Koeman

 

[George_Costanza]

We, on the other hand, can't hire ANYONE, but only coaches who (on paper) have lots of connections with Barca.

Says who? where did you get the idea we can't hire coaches who had no connection with Barca?

Since 1980 we had 18 different managers. 10 of them had no previous connection whatsoever with Barcelona.

 

[George_Costanza]

All for ValverdeOUT! But not Koeman

I hope Barca waits until the EURO 2020 finishes before deciding to hire Koeman. We need a manager that can excel in a continental/Cup competition (Like Gallardo with River). This is crucial if we want to compete for next year's UCL.

For me Gallardo all the way. You only need to watch how River plays to come to the conclusion that he is a genius.

 

[Alik]

EV can't be fired now since he has won a double

EV did not win the double last season.