Ernesto Valverde

[DonAndres]

Nice video, thanks. I don't agree with some of it but pretty balanced all the same. I am not a Valverde fan-boy, I want to make that clear (again). My point has been and remains that I don't think that anyone could have done any better with the tools at his disposal. He has got an aging squad and he has got some 'untouchables' in the side. Those are facts, not opinions. He is not responsible for the transfers (that is where I totally disagree with the video and I was, quite frankly, amazed that they even suggested it) but he could have perhaps gotten more out of Coutinho (Dembele has turned out to be a huge waste of money and we will be lucky to get any ROI with him). Nevertheless (even though he isn't in charge of transfers) big money signings don't always turn out. There are too many examples to list. What I do think he has done well is to manage to win titles with all those problems. The video suggests that he instigated a change of tactics. Perhaps he was forced to change to those tactics in order to get the best out what he had to his disposal? Either way, I still think we will have another tough year and will do until the 'untouchables' decide to move on or hang up their boots. A decision they can only make.

Rubbish

Klopp beat the piss out of our team with the likes of Origi, Wijnaldum, Henderson, and Milner looking world class. Our team which is the highest paid in Europe btw, and FAR better equipped than the teams Lucho had in his last 2 seasons (as discussed in the video).

Lucho was given a midfield of Gomes/Denis/Arda/Rakitic/old Iniesta and Busi to work with. He was crippled by having only Roberto at RB (one of the big reasons we had to switch to 3-4-3). Valverde was given Semedo to help out at RB, Dembele/Coutinho/Malcom in offense, Arthur AND Vidal in midfield. And he only performed worse as manager as his squad was reinforced more.

If you gave Klopp the likes of Dembele/Semedo/Arthur/Malcom/Vidal he wouldn't sit there whining about how they're shit or can't pass progressively or sloppy or whatever. He'd probably have Dembele being one of the best dual threat wingers in the world, Semedo being a top 3-5 RB, Arthur bossing it up in the CL, and Malcom being an important squad player scoring important CL goals off the bench. He'd make it that every player in the squad from top to bottom was playing with confidence and belief and if injuries came around even the subs would push the team on to titles.

That's the difference. There is 0 chance that Valverde led this squad to the most they are capable of and that many other coaches couldn't have done better.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Rubbish

Klopp beat the piss out of our team with the likes of Origi, Wijnaldum, Henderson, and Milner looking world class. Our team which is the highest paid in Europe btw, and FAR better equipped than the teams Lucho had in his last 2 seasons (as discussed in the video).

Lucho was given a midfield of Gomes/Denis/Arda/Rakitic/old Iniesta and Busi to work with. He was crippled by having only Roberto at RB (one of the big reasons we had to switch to 3-4-3). Valverde was given Semedo to help out at RB, Dembele/Coutinho/Malcom in offense, Arthur AND Vidal in midfield. And he only performed worse as manager as his squad was reinforced more.

If you gave Klopp the likes of Dembele/Semedo/Arthur/Malcom/Vidal he wouldn't sit there whining about how they're shit or can't pass progressively or sloppy or whatever. He'd probably have Dembele being one of the best dual threat wingers in the world, Semedo being a top 3-5 RB, Arthur bossing it up in the CL, and Malcom being an important squad player scoring important CL goals off the bench. He'd make it that every player in the squad from top to bottom was playing with confidence and belief and if injuries came around even the subs would push the team on to titles.

That's the difference. There is 0 chance that Valverde led this squad to the most they are capable of and that many other coaches couldn't have done better.

Well said. Although I have to admit one thing, it's harder to motivate team which has won everything and multiple times. Klopp never had to deal with old winners, it makes things easier. Valverde has tough job motivating our old guards, Messi, Suarez, Alba, Busi, Rakitic etc. Not easy.

 

[bismp]

I have actually visited Liverpool at the moment and I still cannot grasp how close we were to qualifying to the finals.Messi scored a wonder goal to make it 3-0 at the Camp Nou and this coward cunt still couldn’t field a team that could defend this score...

Anyways,after the last two years,anyone wo thinks that we have a shot in the CL is delusional.We should be happy if we manage to win the league.

I just hope that this coward fields an Arthur-Busi-FDJ midfield...Maybe they can work some magic with Griezmann and old Leo up front

 

[Poor_Sunyol]

Valverde has tough job motivating our old guards, Messi, Suarez, Alba, Busi, Rakitic etc. Not easy.

Sums it up perfectly.

 

[Poor_Sunyol]

I have actually visited Liverpool at the moment and I still cannot grasp how close we were to qualifying to the finals.Messi scored a wonder goal to make it 3-0 at the Camp Nou and this coward cunt still couldn’t field a team that could defend this score...

Anyways,after the last two years,anyone wo thinks that we have a shot in the CL is delusional.We should be happy if we manage to win the league.

I just hope that this coward fields an Arthur-Busi-FDJ midfield...Maybe they can work some magic with Griezmann and old Leo up front

Busi is finished.

 

[jamrock]

Sums it up perfectly.

Pretty easy cop out ain't it.

He can't motivate our senior players to keep a 3-0 lead 2 years straight.

OMG it must for him to be put in such a difficult position, any other manager would throw that away due to certain players being difficult to motivate.

How can I motivate these players to win the biggest competition in football, after being 3-0 up, after not winning it for years, after seeing our biggest rival win 4 in 5.

How does someone motivate players under such perfect circumstances.

It that he is clearly out of his depth tactically and fails to react when the chips are against him.

 

[Tackle]

I'm actually amazed people really think better managers don't actually... you know... manage and lead better than average managers like Valverde.

It's just bad logic. Some managers are better than others precisely because they do better and are more skilled. It's the same in every profession on this planet. The better professionals do their job at a higher level than lesser ones.

So, let's just drop the 'nobody could've done better than Valverde in these conditions' tagline. That's just pure rubbish.

How about you lot stop constructing flimsy strawmen and look at the bigger picture.

Nobody is in their right mind is suggesting that NO manager could've done better with the squad than Valverde has over the past two seasons. It's just that some of the more tenured fans with more rounded perspectives realize that it can get a lot worse as well. Valverde is not perfect, nor is the bloke a tier A manager, but he is still a solid tier B manager that gets along rather well with the dressing room and board.

Should we be striving for better? Sure, but let's not be daft here. Mate, both you and I realize that most, if not all of the very few truly elite managers in world football that would be a marked upgrade on Valverde are either out of the club's reach or unattainable at this point.

Sack Valverde and what you'd end up with is a shambolic coach in the mould of a 60 year old Setién that would fanboy over the seniors even harder than Valverde does and implode within 6 months trying to recreate a bargain bin version of Pep's dream team, but only with 33 year old players.

Koeman, or Martinez? Feck off with these watered down Lucho wannabes.

The "total football" hipster picks someone like you might have had in mind like a Ten Hag or Sarri don't have the pedigree to deal with the locker room, nor do they speak the language and would rubbish whatever "identity" you think they possess to hold on to the job after realizing their philosophies are too naive to stay employed beyond a single season at a club of this stature.

So instead of a guaranteed league title and a deep run in the Copa at the very least, you would most likely end up with internal turmoil or a midseason sacking if you had your way. This club wasn't founded in 2008. We have and probably will at some point in the near future appoint a manager far worse than Valverde.

Valverde has made mistakes, but he can and will learn from them. The sky isn't falling.

 

[MTL_Barca]

If even Valverde manages to win trophies i think most of the guys you shit on in that post would be fine as well

 

[Neeraj]

I genuinely have a hard time understanding some people here. People still defending Valverde, or even giving him any sort of benefit of doubt. I'm just trying to understand what these people are clinging on to - it's not trophies, it's not the football, it's not that he's developing anyone, it's not that he's a popular former player...so what exactly is the angle that some people are going with to make a defense for him? I don't get it.

 

[Poor_Sunyol]

Because there is no other option for the moment. So continuously bashing him because the players didn't turn up in a second leg of a CL semi final (twice) and ignoring the other successes he has had is pointless. We would be better off just accepting that he is here for at least this season and discussing how he could get the best out of the team we currently have.

 

[Neeraj]

I do agree with you that we can just accept it and move on, which is fair enough. But it's hard to get over the amount of embarrassment he's caused us and the level of incompetence he has shown. It's one thing to say let's just come to terms that we have this incompetent fool we have, but I don't think that should mean that we start looking at the 'positives' of Valverde, because let's face it, there really aren't any. And that is a dangerous road to go down, since the board is probably just looking for a reason to give this retard another extension. The minute he has a 'good' start to the season, you don't want these "soft" positives to turn into a full blown wave of support for him, there needs to be that undercurrent of disapproval maintained by the fans to convey to the board what they should have already known by now.

 

[Devils]

Too bad they wont sack this idiot along with Pep Segura.

Smhhhh

 

[serghei]

Man some of you are clueless. Tata Martino, a rookie in Europe, with no preseason, Pinto in goal, and weakest season of Messi, would have won the title in Spain with VAR in the last game. And we are talking about much much stronger Atletico and Madrid than this year's mess.

And you have the nerve to say we would crumble in the league if not for Valverde. What a fucking joke.

Open your fucking eyes. Tata would have walked the league last year with the competition we had.

This team made 100 points in a season on auto pilot without manager for half a year. It is an extraordinary league team. Has been so under every manager and would be so in the future under anyone even remotely competent as long as we have the best players.

Only Madrid can match us in Spain and they were abysmal in La Liga for more than a decade with few exceptions.

 

[Poor_Sunyol]

Has been so under every manager

Now there's some horse shit right there folks.

 

[serghei]

Now there's some horse shit right there folks.

Lol. Do you even know that last season we had one of our worst goals scored, goals conceded and points total ratio in La Liga since 2008? If not our worst?

What does that tell you, considering we cruised the league? That even in a subpar season we can easily win the league if our rivals are mediocre.