Ernesto Valverde
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The players trust him. If they didn't we would have lost on multiple occasions during these 3 seasons. Do I have to remind you that he lost only 1 league match in his first year here? This was an amazing achievement. The fact is that the players let him down against Roma and Liverpool. This bad charm will eventually end and we will have more luck, hopefully this season. It could be that this is our season when people don't expect it so much that we're going to win the treble again.
George_Costanza
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CatalinR10
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It was midnight , fireworks were all over the sky , friends all around me drinking with me ...... when it finally hit me. It felt like I didn't drink at all and I was 100% aware of what I had to do. I put my clothes on , some girl came in my way demanding me to kiss her for happy new's year , she wanted to stop me but I wasn't to be stopped . I picked up an empty bottle of beer and broke it against her head. Fucking cunt wanted to stop me from my plan. BBZ said to be edgy so her broken head probably made her feel more attracted to me anyways.
I made 5 calls to get a taxi , line was too busy / bad signal cause of new year. I had to run all the way home. Luckily i bought myself a fitness bike 1 month ago so now I was in better physical shape. I knew that i would get home in the end , which made me smirk. As I was running I came across some weird shit , drunken people everywhere , 2 people trying to shove a firework into another naked guy's ass , some girls dancing into a fountain at 12 in the night and 1 or 2 degrees Celsius....people are wilding here dawgs.
I get home , in front of my door and I realise that I don't have my jacket on me . My keys were in my jacket . I had to break down the door...I do so . I come inside , my cousin asks me wtf is wrong with me and why didn't i just knock on the door so he can open me ? I take another empty bottle of beer and break in at his head leaving him unconcious. Fucking cunt , they never learn.
I get in my room. I am ready , I turn on the PC , log into my barcaforum account leaving my first post of the year saying that Valverde is an utterly piece of fucking shit !
I made 5 calls to get a taxi , line was too busy / bad signal cause of new year. I had to run all the way home. Luckily i bought myself a fitness bike 1 month ago so now I was in better physical shape. I knew that i would get home in the end , which made me smirk. As I was running I came across some weird shit , drunken people everywhere , 2 people trying to shove a firework into another naked guy's ass , some girls dancing into a fountain at 12 in the night and 1 or 2 degrees Celsius....people are wilding here dawgs.
I get home , in front of my door and I realise that I don't have my jacket on me . My keys were in my jacket . I had to break down the door...I do so . I come inside , my cousin asks me wtf is wrong with me and why didn't i just knock on the door so he can open me ? I take another empty bottle of beer and break in at his head leaving him unconcious. Fucking cunt , they never learn.
I get in my room. I am ready , I turn on the PC , log into my barcaforum account leaving my first post of the year saying that Valverde is an utterly piece of fucking shit !
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George_Costanza
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Not really, it was done deliberately as a parnk. Google it.
KingLeo10
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10/10.
Rakitic (TrueCule) did the same as you dawg, except he notched his first tackle of 2020 on the way to making that DISGUSTING EV slurping post.
Alik
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- Dembele and Coutinho have shown to be colossal busts. However, there is still time for us to recover some losses on those.
- Gomes and Paco were a bust.
- We didn't lose anything with Malcom.
- Firpo has been poor. Let's see if we can move him on.
The rest, haven't been busts:
- FdJ, Arthur, Lenglet, Emerson have been good to very good.
- Griezmann has been average (considering his transfer fee, but good if we ignore it).
- Semedo has been average.
- Cillessen, Mina and Digne were sold for respectable fees
- Todibo we got for 1M and if we move him on it will be for a respectable fee in any case.
- Fati looks bright.
So a far cry from "not investing at all or solely on busts".
See my answer to Wolfe. All the players I mentioned (good transfer and busts) had the future in mind. Future doen't just mean 19 year old players.
Also, Real Madrid's dominance in La Liga is being predicted since we lost the leagues with Pep, Tata and Lucho.
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Yes but we've had Messi to stop that happening, that was also another one of my points. Also 3 of the players I mentioned are below 21 the rest are 21 or above, not just talking about 19 year olds here.
El Gato
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Some good, some bad as ever.
It really boils down to the direction of the club and what kind of level the transfers are intended to reflect. One cannot expect staff to start unlocking players who are generally quite garbage at most independent tasks. But anyway, we know Barcelona have been directionless under Bartomeu bar the creation of a stable 11 who are able to walk leagues on the back of a conservative relatively risk and effort free style tailored to ageing leaders (rather crap at leading mind you). Not sure how 4 fairly successful transfers + 1 La Masia talent and a bunch of 'who knows what would have been' out of nearly 20 total operations are supposed to contend with Madrid's recruitment and development choices. Your club still doesn't manage to nurture La Masia graduates and encourage them to succeed outside Barcelona to be brought back on buyback...
Of all the players that you've listed in the original post, only Theo has proven to be an unquestionable short-term flop, Odriozola is close but the club won't have given up yet, and they're the operative equivalents of Mina, where you have 3 or 4 of that kind of transfers to our 1-2 in recent memory (unless you count Marcos Llorente but he surpassed expectations). Every other name you've brought up has been a success at the rotation level. Asensio is unfairly branded as a long shot merchant. Kovacić is currently doing very well at Chelsea and has been vital in numerous fixtures for Madrid leaving only because he wanted a status we couldn't give him at the time.
So while we haven't invested in a world beater who have been a resounding success since James Rodriguez (pending Rodrygo and Vinicius), you'll find it very difficult to find fans that are unhappy with any of the business we've done. Or our squad, what we're trying to do with it and how we play. That stands in stark contrast to multiple failed operations, papering over cracks, total tolerance of failure to achieve certain targets (or lack of ambition) and board resoundingly ignoring displeasure of its fans. All the while not making anything clear about 'Barcelona-after-Messi' while Zidane appears to have a firm grip on Mbappe come 2021-2022. You tell me what's the more successful long term business strategy and which club's fans have more grounds to remain optimistic.
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Madrids approach definitely has been more reasonable (especially our million grave on the left), but in the grand sheme of things it can go either way in the future. Madrid fans might be optimistic, but right now none of your youth players look like sure bets. I wouldnt trade Frenkie for Valverde, Odegaard, Vinicius and Rodrygo combined to be honest. Maybe you hit the jackpot with a few of them and get Mbappe. Maybe you dont. We will see soon enough, but Madrids approach generally is just as undependable as ours.
Hopefully the Barca board learned their lesson regarding "galacticos", because the rest of our transfer business has been quite good, but seeing us go for Neymar make me doubt that.
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El Gato
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Will have to wait and see indeed. True litmus test will be the first season without Messi, until then it's status quo about which Barca board are doing seemingly little. And as a result, I think we're slightly better position for it with a number of options who can all explode or all flop while all you really have besides Griezmann until 2025 are Frenkie, Arthur(?), Fati(?) and your version of Casillas in goal. So unless you bin the manager and by some miracle Koeman/Ten Hag squeeze something more out of your bang average players, it's not looking great. Because you won't have the money to buy everything else you need - you either sink on the basis of shitty Barto recruitment, or you get lucky with some Barca B lads particularly in defense (which historically is not exactly a Barcelona speciality). Dodgy.
serghei
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Lol, it all changes with the arrival of the first manager who can build something at either Barca or Madrid. Resources are huge for both clubs. The difference is who is going to get the better manager to build a new team that could move forward from the old-guard.
Right now Madrid are much better equipped with Zidane, compared with fucking Valverde, and indeed Messi is the one who keeps us ahead for the moment, but we can do even better than Zidane with our next appointment. So even post Messi, we can keep ahead if we sign a top class manager.
The current best team in the world was joke-material 3 years ago. Manager matters the most. We've all seen the great talents of Madrid, like Isco, Asensio, and Ceballos. Who's to say the likes of Odegaard, Valverde won't go the same route? Same for our talents.
The difference is finding the manager who has it all and is capable of putting the pieces together. That is the toughest job, and at teams with the resources of Barcelona and Madrid, the manager will probably be the difference maker.
Right now Madrid are much better equipped with Zidane, compared with fucking Valverde, and indeed Messi is the one who keeps us ahead for the moment, but we can do even better than Zidane with our next appointment. So even post Messi, we can keep ahead if we sign a top class manager.
The current best team in the world was joke-material 3 years ago. Manager matters the most. We've all seen the great talents of Madrid, like Isco, Asensio, and Ceballos. Who's to say the likes of Odegaard, Valverde won't go the same route? Same for our talents.
The difference is finding the manager who has it all and is capable of putting the pieces together. That is the toughest job, and at teams with the resources of Barcelona and Madrid, the manager will probably be the difference maker.
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El Gato
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All fine players doing very well for themselves.
And resources aren’t eternal. Nor is the ability to attract marquee names. Success built by one generation will last another, but not beyond that if you cock things up along the way. Best hope your next president has a sports project as #1 priority.
And resources aren’t eternal. Nor is the ability to attract marquee names. Success built by one generation will last another, but not beyond that if you cock things up along the way. Best hope your next president has a sports project as #1 priority.
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