Ernesto Valverde

[Messigician]

So, let me get this straight then. The confidence in the greatness and stature of this club has declined SO precipitously that the fans--in this case you--think that a manager who lost two three-goal leads in successive CL seasons, who won leagues only because of Messi, and who had us playing awful, unattractive football--that that approach and this manager should be retroactively praised?

It says a lot about our whole club--management, staff, players, and fans--that EV's failures are not only to be swept aside, but justified, and his reputation restored. Well, that's a small club mentality. And I guess that explains a lot. At Bayern and Real, failure is NEVER accepted. Whenever managers fail to deliver, they are immediately sacked. And that's probably partly why they have been so successful. Do you think Valverde would have survived Roma had he been coaching a Real side with CR7, as he did at Barca with Messi? Nope, never.

We need higher standards, and EV does not meet that expectation. Stop trying to defend him. It's pathetic.

Ah yes the same CR7 who was knocked out in the R16 in UCL many times and took Modric arriving and until 2016 for him to win UCL with Madrid. 2 leagues in 9 years btw plz tell me more how they don't tolerate failure.

And Bayern lol had 1 good season under Jupp before shitting the bed every year prior to that and after since.

 

[Tackle]

Real Madrid was so scared that they decided 68 points is enough. GOATverde magic. Truly the best to ever do it.

Madrid finished with 87 points this season. Last season we also had 87 points, but won the league with 10 matches remaining and played the kids in the rest of the fixtures. 17/18 we had 93 points and wrapped up the title again with many games to spare. If we really needed to press for a few more points in those seasons we would have easily gotten them. We would have won the league in both seasons irrespective of whether Madrid were stronger.

Revisionist history of "we only won because Madrid were weak" needs to stop. Valverde did a good job considering the circumstances that only now most fans understand. When Valverde couldn't win us the CL and we were playing boring football it was all about his shortcomings, but once Setien came in and fell flat on his face all the blame is getting directed at the board. Funny how that works.

 

[Messigician]

Madrid finished with 87 points this season. Last season we also had 87 points, but won the league with 10 matches remaining and played the kids in the rest of the fixtures. 17/18 we had 93 points and wrapped up the title again with many games to spare. If we really needed to press for a few more points in those seasons we would have easily gotten them. We would have won the league in both seasons irrespective of whether Madrid were stronger.

Revisionist history of "we only won because Madrid were weak" needs to stop. Valverde did a good job considering the circumstances that only now most fans understand. When Valverde couldn't win us the CL and we were playing boring football it was all about his shortcomings, but once Setien came in and fell flat on his face all the blame is getting directed at the board. Funny how that works.

It took Valverde 2 supercup games to realise the squads limitations and adjust accordingly.

People do not give enough credit to the man. The narrative that Setien and Valverde are the same needs to stop.

 

[messi2140]

Setien came in and fell flat on his face all the blame is getting directed at the board. Funny how that works.

How is this even remotely true ?

You had this big comment about Setien a few days how horrible he was against Bayern and literally everyone agreed with you. Everyone has been calling this cow herder out in regards to how average he is.

 

[Messigician]

How is this even remotely true ?

You had this big comment about Setien a few days how horrible he was against Bayern and literally everyone agreed with you. Everyone has been calling this cow herder out in regards to how average he is.

When Setien arrived people were saying we had the best squad in the world and with a new coach we will win the treble lol

 

[messi2140]

When Setien arrived people were saying we had the best squad in the world and with a new coach we will win the treble lol

Now you are just making up things. Go the first few pages of the Setien thread and you will see quite a few people questioning this appointment.

 

[MTL_Barca]

Madrid finished with 87 points this season. Last season we also had 87 points, but won the league with 10 matches remaining and played the kids in the rest of the fixtures. 17/18 we had 93 points and wrapped up the title again with many games to spare. If we really needed to press for a few more points in those seasons we would have easily gotten them. We would have won the league in both seasons irrespective of whether Madrid were stronger.

Revisionist history of "we only won because Madrid were weak" needs to stop. Valverde did a good job considering the circumstances that only now most fans understand. When Valverde couldn't win us the CL and we were playing boring football it was all about his shortcomings, but once Setien came in and fell flat on his face all the blame is getting directed at the board. Funny how that works.

His methods to win these titles play a big part in the disaster of a squad we have today because he was absolutely fine with amigos/Barto walking all over him and showed no desire to refresh the team. You can call that smart if you want because at the time it won la liga titles and it also secured him a job he'll never ever get again but it also lead to this entitled, old squad we have now. Mainly the boards fault, but Valverde was playing into it as well. An actual strong coach would've never let that happen, probably why they hired him (and Setien) in the first place and why amigos where so happy with the situation that they took the blame for the back to back chokes on themselves...fully knowing they won't get punished anyway.

Valverde was a good choice to win domestic titles with that team at that time pressing the last drop of life out of the veterans but he's far from being an outstanding coach in any way shape or form and further contributed to the current problems of the squad. Can't believe how some people actually believe he's a genius after having to sit through that shit every week for 2,5 seasons or even want him back now

 

[Messigician]

Now you are just making up things. Go the first few pages of the Setien thread and you will see quite a few people questioning this appointment.

I'm not ask BBZ lol he remembers these quotes

 

[Tackle]

How is this even remotely true ?

You had this big comment about Setien how horrible he was against Bayern and literally everyone agreed with you.

Did Setien get death threats from our fans?

Did Setien have the title of his thread changed to a derogatory nickname?

Did Setien invoke the same foaming at the mouth reaction to his sterile football despite not producing results either?

Was Setien blamed by our fans as the main culprit for this year's CL humiliation?

Was Setien blamed for not being able to turn the likes of Arthur, Semedo and Todibo into worldbeaters?

Was Setien ridiculed for not doing enough with a "top 3 squad in the world?"

Valverde got the brunt of all the above and much more.

 

[Messigician]

Did Setien get death threats from our fans?

Did Setien have the title of his thread changed to a derogatory nickname?

Did Setien invoke the same foaming at the mouth reaction to his sterile football despite not producing results either?

Was Setien blamed by our fans as the main culprit for this year's CL humiliation?

Was Setien blamed for not being able to turn the like of Arthur, Semedo and Todibo into worldbeaters?

Was Setien ridiculed for not doing enough with a "top 3 squad in the world?"

Valverde got the brunt of all the above and much more.

Yes in fact you have convinced me to make a post on Valverde

 

[messi2140]

Did Setien get death threats from our fans?

Did Setien have the title of his thread changed to a derogatory nickname?

Did Setien invoke the same foaming at the mouth reaction to his sterile football despite not producing results either?

Was Setien blamed by our fans as the main culprit for this year's CL humiliation?

Was Setien blamed for not being able to turn the likes of Arthur, Semedo and Todibo into worldbeaters?

Was Setien ridiculed for not doing enough with a "top 3 squad in the world?"

Valverde got the brunt of all the above and much more.

3 ,4,5 and 6 I have seen those in a similiar fashion to Valverde/to some extent. As for the rest I personally didn't , but one thing I would like you to keep in mind is that one Clown was here for 2.5 years and the other 8 months and that makes a massive difference. If the cow herder was here for another 1.5 years , you would have seen all those things and more.


I said it once and Ill say it again. When I get married I hope I can find a wife thats loves me as much as some you love Valverde.

 

[Tackle]

His methods to win these titles play a big part in the disaster of a squad we have today because he was absolutely fine with amigos/Barto walking all over him and showed no desire to refresh the team. You can call that smart if you want because at the time it won la liga titles and it also secured him a job he'll never ever get again but it also lead to this entitled, old squad we have now. Mainly the boards fault, but Valverde was playing into it as well. An actual strong coach would've never let that happen, probably why they hired him (and Setien) in the first place and why amigos where so happy the situation that they took the blame for the back to back chokes on themselves...fully knowing they won't get punished anyway.

Valverde was a good choice to win domestic titles with that team at that time pressing the last drop of life out of the veterans but he's far from being an outstanding coach in any way shape or form and further contributed to the current problems of the squad. Can't believe how some people actually believe he's a genius after having to sit through that shit every week for 2,5 seasons or even want him back now

He did nothing to renew this team or build for the future because he had no mandate to and was operating under a strict set of restrictions. He was one match away from an invincible league campaign in his first season and one away goal from an almost certain CL title. Third season it fell apart, but how many coaches at the top level in football today even with a functioning board are able to maintain success for more than two seasons?

An "actual strong coach" would have been sacked withing two months after the dressing room turned against him for upsetting the natural order. Few amigos would have complained to the board and that would be the end of it. The new signings he was given were mental midgets (Coutinho, Semedo), cripples (Dembele, Arthur) or simply not good enough (Malcom, Mina etc).

Never suggested he was some genius, but he did a decent job and the way he was treated by our fans was an absolute disgrace. Never seen such an entitled group of supporters so viciously trash a man despite being one of the winningest coaches in club history.

Glad you and some other posters seem to be coming around and admitting he is not the worst manager in the world.

 

[messi2140]

One thing I would like to add is that I find it hilarious how Valverde had all this factors that weren't under his control like the board , the bad players he got , amigos etc. But Setien was somehow in the perfect environment.
as if he didnt have to deal with an even worse team after Abidal worked his magic , not having a preseason etc.

Both those 2 managers were fucking clowns , one bigger than the other

Miss me with this bullshit dawg

 

[KingLeo10]

One thing I would like to add is that I find it hilarious how Valverde had all this factors that weren't under his control like the board , the bad players he got , amigos etc. But Setien was somehow in the perfect environment.
as if he didnt have to deal with an even worse team after Abidal worked his magic , not having a preseason etc.

Both those 2 managers were fucking clowns , one bigger than the other

Miss me with this bullshit dawg

I've yet to see this sort of comparison on a RM forum about whether Benitez or Lope was worse. Or whether Lope or Scolari were worse.

Neither are Bayern fans obsessed with whether Kovac or Ancelotti were worse.

Also, Tackle. The "winningest" thing is bullshit. He did fuck all in the CL, which is the competition that by some distance, is the most important one.

At the end of the day, both EV and Setien are absolutely dire. One was just more palatable (EV) in his mannerisms so it gave the impression he was a gentleman. He's the one who enabled the Club De Amigos even if Setien turned out to be more clueless tactically. Hard pass on both of these clowns.

 

[Vilarrubi]

I've yet to see this sort of comparison on a RM forum about whether Benitez or Lope was worse. Or whether Lope or Scolari were worse.

Spot on.

Don’t know why people are debating them now they’re both gone. Thank fuck they are gone, that’s all what needs to be said now.