Ernesto Valverde

bismp

Well-known member
Two years later and those two lengendary players are still the same. Make you wonder :lol:

Yes,because Ernieball fucked them up, especially in Dembele’s case. 2,5 years of Ernieball and no proper training as a young talent can fuck up your development. Perhaps if Ernie could inspire him better and not let him arrive late at “training” every other day,then Dembele would avoid all these injuries or at least obtain a more professional mindset.

And if you go like that, Bojan under Rijkaard, top talent in the world, next Messi. Under Pep, ruined his career and never recover again :lol:

Talents developed under Pep: Pique,Busquets,Pedro,Thiago,Kimmich,Foden,Ferran Torres etc
Talents developed under Ernie: dunno,Inaki Williams? :lol:

While a Barca manager he had the chance to work with and develop talented players. Instead,every single young talent remained a talent forever, every single big transfer flopped and almost every single veteran regressed under him.

Coutinho?Flopped hard
Dembele?Preferred videogames to Ernietraining and Ernieball
Semedo?Never managed to develop
Arthur?Flop
S.Roberto?Regressed during his physical prime
La Masia talents under Ernie? Nowhere to be found with Fati being the only bright exception


Madrid gave up Liga because Barca beat them 3-0 in Bernabeu.

Oh I thought that Real was the great and mentally tough team,according to you…Did they give up La Liga after one loss in Matchday 16?

Maybe if you did not conveniently ignore the truth,you would see that by matchday 16,Real had only 31 points in 2018.
For comparison,they had:

37 in 2017
30 in 2016(the reason Benitez was sacked,oopsie)
36 in 2015
37 in 2014

So,in 2017/18 season Real was ALREADY bad by the standards(if it hadn’t been for back to back CLs,Zidane may have been already sacked) and well below their post-Mourinho standards.



2018/19 lost both games vs Barca, including 5-1 loss.

And? This only proves my point,that Real was dog shit in 2019 :lol: The team won 69 points for god’s sake,that’s historically bad and you try to paint them as a worthy opponent? :lol:

Now you talk about point won, funny.

Funny because this is exactly the argument you Ernie stans use to try to portray 2017/18 La Liga campaign as a GOAT-level season.Points won.

I used points won,ONLY for La Liga to show that during those years, Real and Atletico were well below their standards and did not manage to collect enough points to win La Liga compared to the champions and the second placed teams,before or after. This shows that Barca had little to no competition these two seasons,in La Liga.

Second placed team the last years:

2010 Real 96
2011 Real 92
2012 Barca 91
2013 Real 85
2014 Barca 87
2015 Real 92
2016 Real 90
2017 Barca 90
2018 Real 79
2019 Atletico 76

2020 Barca 82
2021 Real 84

See a pattern here? Ernie literally had to compete against the worst or least focused teams the last 12 seasons :lol:

12/13 team collected 100 points, so better than any of Pep 2008/09 and 2010/11 or Lucho 14/15 side. Your logic. 96/97 team are better than any of Cruyff's dream team. More points, more goals. Your logic.

Flawed logic.

If the 12/13 team or 96/97 team had won the CL along with a great La Liga run,then yes they would have been comparable.Every single team you mentioned had won the CL,that’s why they are considered all time greats.


Barca from 19-21 vs RM and AM in Liga: lose 4 times, draw 2 and win only 1 (under EV btw).

Never said that this Barca team is better than the past,but if it was magically put into Ernie’s seasons,they may have won La Liga,because the competition back then was really bad,as clearly demonstrated above.

In fact, put Barca last season in 17-19, Madrid teams would have a lot of fun.

In fact, put 2017-2019 Barca in 2009-2017, Real Madrid would have a lot of fun.

Try better thing buddy.

And what about all other arguments? Oh i forgot, logic and your hatred don't go hand in hand.



What other arguments buddy?

Try answering ALL my points instead of trolling hard.Decent try,but could not expect more from a Ernie-stan
 
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vegitot

Senior Member
Yes,because Ernieball fucked them up, especially in Dembele?s case. 2,5 years of Ernieball and no proper training as a young talent can fuck up your development. Perhaps if Ernie could inspire him better and not let him arrive late at ?training? every other day,then Dembele would avoid all these injuries or at least obtain a more professional mindset.



Talents developed under Pep: Pique,Busquets,Pedro,Thiago,Kimmich,Foden,Ferran Torres etc
Talents developed under Ernie: dunno,Inaki Williams? :lol:

While a Barca manager he had the chance to work with and develop talented players. Instead,every single young talent remained a talent forever, every single big transfer flopped and almost every single veteran regressed under him.

Coutinho?Flopped hard
Dembele?Preferred videogames to Ernietraining and Ernieball
Semedo?Never managed to develop
Arthur?Flop
S.Roberto?Regressed during his physical prime
La Masia talents under Ernie? Nowhere to be found with Fati being the only bright exception




Oh I thought that Real was the great and mentally tough team,according to you?Did they give up La Liga after one loss in Matchday 16?

Maybe if you did not conveniently ignore the truth,you would see that by matchday 16,Real had only 31 points in 2018.
For comparison,they had:

37 in 2017
30 in 2016(the reason Benitez was sacked,oopsie)
36 in 2015
37 in 2014

So,in 2017/18 season Real was ALREADY bad by the standards(if it hadn?t been for back to back CLs,Zidane may have been already sacked) and well below their post-Mourinho standards.





And? This only proves my point,that Real was dog shit in 2019 :lol: The team won 69 points for god?s sake,that?s historically bad and you try to paint them as a worthy opponent? :lol:



Funny because this is exactly the argument you Ernie stans use to try to portray 2017/18 La Liga campaign as a GOAT-level season.Points won.

I used points won,ONLY for La Liga to show that during those years, Real and Atletico were well below their standards and did not manage to collect enough points to win La Liga compared to the champions and the second placed teams,before or after. This shows that Barca had little to no competition these two seasons,in La Liga.

Second placed team the last years:

2010 Real 96
2011 Real 92
2012 Barca 91
2013 Real 85
2014 Barca 87
2015 Real 92
2016 Real 90
2017 Barca 90
2018 Real 79
2019 Atletico 76

2020 Barca 82
2021 Real 84

See a pattern here? Ernie literally had to compete against the worst or least focused teams the last 12 seasons :lol:



Flawed logic.

If the 12/13 team or 96/97 team had won the CL along with a great La Liga run,then yes they would have been comparable.Every single team you mentioned had won the CL,that?s why they are considered all time greats.




Never said that this Barca team is better than the past,but if it was magically put into Ernie?s seasons,they may have won La Liga,because the competition back then was really bad,as clearly demonstrated above.



In fact, put 2017-2019 Barca in 2009-2017, Real Madrid would have a lot of fun.





What other arguments buddy?

Try answering ALL my points instead of trolling hard.Decent try,but could not expect more from a Ernie-stan

Dembele's case has been explained multi times.

Why Pep couldn't develop Bojan then???

By your logic, Pep is a fraud for Bojan's case.

Other youngster during EV times like Arthur, Alena, Semedo, Denis already show their level now. No need to think they were superb players. They aren't. Just look how people turn their back against them. What a generation :lol:

RM were still very strong during 2017/18. They beat Barca 5-1 over two legs in super cup and every one thought the season was over. Barca were just incredibly consistent in Liga during 17/18. That made thing way harder for RM and others to compete, compeltelt different than last season when Cadiz beat Barca, Cadiz. A 3-0 win in Bernabeu finished any chance for RM in Liga that year, then they 100% focused on UCL.

Somehow a UCL champion 17/18 is weaker than RM 2020/21 :lol: . I suppose 84 points in Liga is better feat than winning UCL. Wow.

You bring point won without any context. Just like i can bring Barca 96/97 points and they were better than any of Cruyff's dream team. Put Dream team (91-94) in Liga 96/97 and they would fail to win. Agree???

And how can last season Barca can win Liga in 17-19??? Think about it, Barca would lose every time vs RM like last season, lose and draw vs AM too, lose against team like Cadiz, Granada or similiar in important games in league (like last season when Granada destroyed Liga dream, at Camp Nou).

Context matters here. Don't try to twist it.

Bad try. And is this another Dembele fanboy clone??? He is just a racist scum, pure garbage.
 
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bismp

Well-known member
Dembele's case has been explained multi times.

Why Pep couldn't develop Bojan then???

By your logic, Pep is a fraud for Bojan's case.

Other youngster during EV times like Arthur, Alena, Semedo, Denis already show their level now. No need to think they were superb players. They aren't. Just look how people turn their back against them. What a generation :lol:

RM were still very strong during 2017/18. They beat Barca 5-1 over two legs in super cup and every one thought the season was over. Barca were just incredibly consistent in Liga during 17/18. That made thing way harder for RM and others to compete, compeltelt different than last season when Cadiz beat Barca, Cadiz. A 3-0 win in Bernabeu finished any chance for RM in Liga that year, then they 100% focused on UCL.

Somehow a UCL champion 17/18 is weaker than RM 2020/21 :lol: . I suppose 84 points in Liga is better feat than winning UCL. Wow.

You bring point won without any context. Just like i can bring Barca 96/97 points and they were better than any of Cruyff's dream team. Put Dream team (91-94) in Liga 96/97 and they would fail to win. Agree???

And how can last season Barca can win Liga in 17-19??? Think about it, Barca would lose every time vs RM like last season, lose and draw vs AM too, lose against team like Cadiz, Granada or similiar in important games in league (like last season when Granada destroyed Liga dream, at Camp Nou).

Bad try. And is this another Dembele fanboy clone??? He is just a racist scum, pure garbage.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Calling me racist without saying anything remotely racist. That’s a bannable offense troll.

Valverde stans ignore half the arguments and twist the other half to fit their sick narrative,while also adding ungrounded personal offenses to the mix.

Regarding Pep,the argument shows that he has managed to grow many talents through the years.Maybe if he had some of Ernie’s players the team would be better.Ernie could and would certainly not develop even half of Pep’s talents.Imagine for example Pedro under Pep,he would be a Malcom type player at best.Underutilized and underdeveloped.

Kimmich would be played out of position like FDJ and so on.


Every single player under Ernie bar Messi dropped in quality.Not a single one developed under him.Tells you the whole story.

NO ONE is saying that 2017/18 Real was not good,stop twisting my words.I am saying that they were not focused and had already lost many points even before the Classico game.

You also once more CONVENIENTLY drop your fantastic argument about 2019 team.

You fail to understand a basic concept pal. More points don’t make you a better team. All I am saying is that the two La Liga titles Valverde won,the competition was either bad or unfocused.Simple as that.Every single season before that the second placed team was among the best in Europe and usually won 90+ points. If Real was focused in 2018 or maintained their level in 2019,Ernie would have lost both titles.

You know why?Because he loves to choke under pressure.

You are humiliating yourself with these stupid replies,while also ignoring half my points.
 

bismp

Well-known member
EV literally had to deal with a Real side that was already unfocused at the first part of the season and then completely dropped the ball.

Then he had to deal with the worst Real of the last 30-40-50 years or so.

ANY Real side between 2010 and 2017 would have won La Liga over Ernie Barca.He was extremely lucky and benefited from the circumstances.

In CL he managed to be one of the very few managers in history to blow back to back 3+ goals leads.

And in the end,he left a team mentally broken, physically unfit and tactically clueless, while developing no talent under his 2,5 tenure.

And people have the audacity not only to defend him,but also to call him a great manager :lol:
 

vegitot

Senior Member
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Calling me racist without saying anything remotely racist. That?s a bannable offense troll.

Valverde stans ignore half the arguments and twist the other half to fit their sick narrative,while also adding ungrounded personal offenses to the mix.

Regarding Pep,the argument shows that he has managed to grow many talents through the years.Maybe if he had some of Ernie?s players the team would be better.Ernie could and would certainly not develop even half of Pep?s talents.Imagine for example Pedro under Pep,he would be a Malcom type player at best.Underutilized and underdeveloped.

Kimmich would be played out of position like FDJ and so on.


Every single player under Ernie bar Messi dropped in quality.Not a single one developed under him.Tells you the whole story.

NO ONE is saying that 2017/18 Real was not good,stop twisting my words.I am saying that they were not focused and had already lost many points even before the Classico game.

You also once more CONVENIENTLY drop your fantastic argument about 2019 team.

You fail to understand a basic concept pal. More points don?t make you a better team. All I am saying is that the two La Liga titles Valverde won,the competition was either bad or unfocused.Simple as that.Every single season before that the second placed team was among the best in Europe and usually won 90+ points. If Real was focused in 2018 or maintained their level in 2019,Ernie would have lost both titles.

You know why?Because he loves to choke under pressure.

You are humiliating yourself with these stupid replies,while also ignoring half my points.

Dembele or Bojan is just an example of how thing went wrong and it doesn't mean their coach are fraud. This is not comparing EV to Pep.

And you are free to think Arthur is next Xavi or whatever. As if Pep would turn them into something like that.

RM didn't pick up many points before Clasico but at the same time Barca were incredibly consistent. That's why Barca were on the top. Completely different than 2020/21 season when Barca were at one of club's worst run in league. That's context. Now put Barca 2020/21 to face RM 2017/18, consider the fact Barca 2020/21 lost to RM twice in the same season, no chance for the league as RM would win every time and Barca 2020/21 choked hard vs Granada, Cadizt...

Liga was weak before :lol:

If RM focused, lol, as if they didn't want to win. Now you talk if. If Barca focused before, there was at least 1 UCL in the bag.

You are deluded if you think Barca 2020/21 would win Liga from 17-19. But since you think 84 points in Liga is bigger than UCL champion then it's ok.

Btw it is Dembele who is racist scum. Not you.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
EV literally had to deal with a Real side that was already unfocused at the first part of the season and then completely dropped the ball.

Then he had to deal with the worst Real of the last 30-40-50 years or so.

ANY Real side between 2010 and 2017 would have won La Liga over Ernie Barca.He was extremely lucky and benefited from the circumstances.

In CL he managed to be one of the very few managers in history to blow back to back 3+ goals leads.

And in the end,he left a team mentally broken, physically unfit and tactically clueless, while developing no talent under his 2,5 tenure.

And people have the audacity not only to defend him,but also to call him a great manager :lol:

84 poinst in Liga is bigger than Champion League :lol:

Of course Barca 2020/21 would win over RM 2017/18 :lol:

And for developing talents, here is what khaled posted in Gavi thread which is pretty accurate. All in context

"1- You are asking the wrong guy, because till the moment I don't think Minqueza deserves to be Barca 1st team player. He is here due to crisis and I would hope some Liga team will offer us 8-10M for him next summer and we move on from him.

2-You still didn't answer the question, you claim he ignored talents for veterans, but which talent? Because is honestly a ridiculous claim in vacuum,
Because basing it on "there could be someone there who could have been developed" is ridiculous. Maybe there is someone now? Maybe there was someone who Pep ignored during his time? Hey maybe Gai Assulin could have became the next great winger if Pep trusted him. Poor kid, Pep destroyed his career .

3-If you want to make EV the devil who hated youth player, fine. I am not arguing whether EV was a youth oriented coach or not, but actually about the state of La Masia back then.
Those B teams were piss poor, with coach who was there in hope to get results in order to get a better job in Liga, like Pep,Lucho & Eusebio. The state of the B team was a mess between 2014-2018.
The goal wasn't to develop young talents, it was to get results and get to compete in Segunda, so fans can watch it on youtube and we claim La Masia is great because B team is freakin winning.
How any first team coach would look at that team and even find worthy player in that?

Did Carles Alena ever learned to be a CM with B team? Because every time I watched him, he was one of the most advanced player on the pitch, hoping to get the ball in attacking position in order to start running with it.
Even before EV time, has any La Masia or B team coach has told Samper that he needs to be classical DM or even CM, rather than an old fashioned deep lying playmaker?
Anyone tried to get into Adama's head and told him to raise his head while playing? I could go own on on those examples.
Even your boy Puig, has only stared to develop when Pimenta took over and we had a more stable team developing players, the results only started to occur by last year, when Araujo,Perez was doing well there, same with Oscar.

4-So regarding Mingueza, even if you think "he has future here" this would have not happened if he was couple of years older, because we would have failed to develop him and shipped his ass to a segunda team.

I love Koemann work with young players now, but ignoring the difference in the state of the youth system back then and now is actually unjustified, and don't do justice to guys like Pimenta"
 
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Messigician

Senior Member
Managers and players regarding GOATVERDE

Pep Gaurdiola

Guardiola: Valverde has done a very good job at Barcelona, I'm glad he's staying


"Away from the great friendship that we have, Ernesto is spectacular," the Manchester City coach said at the basketball match between Manresa and Real Madrid on Sunday.

"He's done a very good job. Sure he lost the Champions League, we all did.

"[He's in charge of] a team that has won two leagues in a row and plays good football, I'm happy that he's staying.

"Barcelona continue being loyal to his style."

"Barcelona is a special place where winning the league isn't enough," said Guardiola after Manchester City beat Aston Villa 6-1 on Sunday.
I hope he stays as a club member it is what I want

Valverde?s predecessor Luis Enrique also leapt to the coach?s defence.
"He hasn't done anything, apart from what it means to have lost a match at a club like Barcelona," Luis Enrique told Movistar.


"There's always a special pressure on the coach and players there. Those who have had the good fortune to be coaches at these huge clubs know this.
"It's a risky business. Valverde is an experienced coach who has won titles and he has the chance to win more.
"I feel for him because I like him a lot. He's doing a really good job and can almost all the titles, as they're leading La Liga and are into the Champions League knockouts. He is one of the best Spanish coaches in history."

Andres Iniesta Slams Barcelona Over 'Ugly' Situation With Manager Ernesto Valverde
Daniel Marland


Published 12:05, 13 January 2020 GMT
| Last updated 12:05, 13 January 2020 GMT

Andres Iniesta Slams Barcelona Over 'Ugly' Situation With Manager Ernesto Valverde
Barcelona legend Andres Iniesta has slammed his former club's treatment of manager Ernesto Valverde and claimed their open search for a new coach is 'ugly'.

The La Liga leaders appear to be close to sacking the Spaniard following their loss to Atletico Madrid in the Spanish Super Cup on Thursday.

Following Barca's discussions with former player Xavi, World Cup winner Iniesta has expressed his shock at how his former club is conducting their business.

Image Credit: PA
Image Credit: PA

"What comes to my mind a little, if all this is so, is that the way everything is being done is a bit ugly," Iniesta told Onda Cero per MailOnline.

"I think that there should always be respect for the coach. The boss's situation position has been left very weakened.

"My relationship with the boss is very good. During the year we have been talking some times

It was a mistake to sack Valverde, he joins us among the greatest coaches in Barca history alongside Cruyff, Pep Gaurdiola and Luis Enrique"

Lionel Messi publicly calls out Barcelona over Valverde sacking this is adter his staunch defence of the manager after the Anfield loss the first time he has EVER done this.

Messi on Valverde's dismissal: 'It's easier to sack the coach than change the players.'

Messi on Valverde's tactics

Messi heaps praise on Valverde after Betis win
"(Real) Betis are a side that treat the ball well. But we didn't suffer at all," said Messi, who will return to Argentina duty in the upcoming international break, via Sport.


"We were really well organised. (Ernesto) Valverde read things well and prepared the game plan well. Tactically it was perfect. Sometimes you have to adapt to the opposition."

?Valverde is good, very good, he's a gentleman, always respected, for me he's the best coach I've ever had."

'Valverde did everything right, for me he's one of the best coaches I've ever faced'

"First of all, he's a great man on a personal level, it isn't his fault he doesn't utilisethe academy orders for that come from above ( the board)


Pique names Ernesto Valverde one of the best coaches he has ever had

For me he's one of the best along with Ferguson, and Pep.

It wasn't normal to sack him when we were top of the group.

" Valverde is a true gentleman, he refused to accept his final year payout after being sacked, our biggest regret was listening to Abidal and sacking him"
Anonymous ex Board member

And countless others support and praise Valverde.

Please don't compare those second rate coaches with Goatverde

Koeman can't even sell players without being bad mouthed by them 24/7.

Valverde is on a human level a wonderful man, a gentleman, he didn't deserve to be sacked and the board knew it

"I thought about leaving in the January window," Rakitic, who played the entire game, said post-match.

The treatment of Valverde was unacceptable on all levels"

Before coming on against Sevilla, a game that was slipping away from Barcelona, Valverde put his hand on Messi's shoulder to suggest something. He stopped. He looked at him for one second and he said, "it seems you know what you have to do." He had caught him in one of the rare occasions when he was on the bench, able to analyse what was going on like a srugeon. Messi was amazed at this emotional understanding

There's a queue to learn even more from the thousand lessons that football has offered Valverde. And there's a desire to share them.

Valverde recognised that everyone has their own style that develops from deep-rooted beliefs, almost unconsciously, but that the path is long and you polish things dependent on the players and club you're working with.
 
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Messigician

Senior Member
Managers and players regarding GOATVERDE

Pep Gaurdiola

Guardiola: Valverde has done a very good job at Barcelona, I'm glad he's staying


"Away from the great friendship that we have, Ernesto is spectacular," the Manchester City coach said at the basketball match between Manresa and Real Madrid on Sunday.

"He's done a very good job. Sure he lost the Champions League, we all did.

"[He's in charge of] a team that has won two leagues in a row and plays good football, I'm happy that he's staying.

"Barcelona continue being loyal to his style."

"Barcelona is a special place where winning the league isn't enough," said Guardiola after Manchester City beat Aston Villa 6-1 on Sunday.
I hope he stays as a club member it is what I want

Valverde?s predecessor Luis Enrique also leapt to the coach?s defence.
"He hasn't done anything, apart from what it means to have lost a match at a club like Barcelona," Luis Enrique told Movistar.


"There's always a special pressure on the coach and players there. Those who have had the good fortune to be coaches at these huge clubs know this.
"It's a risky business. Valverde is an experienced coach who has won titles and he has the chance to win more.
"I feel for him because I like him a lot. He's doing a really good job and can almost all the titles, as they're leading La Liga and are into the Champions League knockouts. He is one of the best Spanish coaches in history."

Andres Iniesta Slams Barcelona Over 'Ugly' Situation With Manager Ernesto Valverde
Daniel Marland


Published 12:05, 13 January 2020 GMT
| Last updated 12:05, 13 January 2020 GMT

Andres Iniesta Slams Barcelona Over 'Ugly' Situation With Manager Ernesto Valverde
Barcelona legend Andres Iniesta has slammed his former club's treatment of manager Ernesto Valverde and claimed their open search for a new coach is 'ugly'.

The La Liga leaders appear to be close to sacking the Spaniard following their loss to Atletico Madrid in the Spanish Super Cup on Thursday.

Following Barca's discussions with former player Xavi, World Cup winner Iniesta has expressed his shock at how his former club is conducting their business.

Image Credit: PA
Image Credit: PA

"What comes to my mind a little, if all this is so, is that the way everything is being done is a bit ugly," Iniesta told Onda Cero per MailOnline.

"I think that there should always be respect for the coach. The boss's situation position has been left very weakened.

"My relationship with the boss is very good. During the year we have been talking some times

It was a mistake to sack Valverde, he joins us among the greatest coaches in Barca history alongside Cruyff, Pep Gaurdiola and Luis Enrique"

Lionel Messi publicly calls out Barcelona over Valverde sacking this is adter his staunch defence of the manager after the Anfield loss the first time he has EVER done this.

Messi on Valverde's dismissal: 'It's easier to sack the coach than change the players.'

Messi on Valverde's tactics

Messi heaps praise on Valverde after Betis win
"(Real) Betis are a side that treat the ball well. But we didn't suffer at all," said Messi, who will return to Argentina duty in the upcoming international break, via Sport.


"We were really well organised. (Ernesto) Valverde read things well and prepared the game plan well. Tactically it was perfect. Sometimes you have to adapt to the opposition."

?Valverde is good, very good, he's a gentleman, always respected, for me he's the best coach I've ever had."

'Valverde did everything right, for me he's one of the best coaches I've ever faced'

"First of all, he's a great man on a personal level, it isn't his fault he doesn't utilisethe academy orders for that come from above ( the board)


Pique names Ernesto Valverde one of the best coaches he has ever had

For me he's one of the best along with Ferguson, and Pep.

It wasn't normal to sack him when we were top of the group.

" Valverde is a true gentleman, he refused to accept his final year payout after being sacked, our biggest regret was listening to Abidal and sacking him"
Anonymous ex Board member

And countless others support and praise Valverde.

Please don't compare those second rate coaches with Goatverde

Koeman can't even sell players without being bad mouthed by them 24/7.

Valverde is on a human level a wonderful man, a gentleman, he didn't deserve to be sacked and the board knew it

"I thought about leaving in the January window," Rakitic, who played the entire game, said post-match.

The treatment of Valverde was unacceptable on all levels"

Before coming on against Sevilla, a game that was slipping away from Barcelona, Valverde put his hand on Messi's shoulder to suggest something. He stopped. He looked at him for one second and he said, "it seems you know what you have to do." He had caught him in one of the rare occasions when he was on the bench, able to analyse what was going on like a srugeon. Messi was amazed at this emotional understanding

There's a queue to learn even more from the thousand lessons that football has offered Valverde. And there's a desire to share them.

Valverde recognised that everyone has their own style that develops from deep-rooted beliefs, almost unconsciously, but that the path is long and you polish things dependent on the players and club you're working with.


The day Ernesto Valverde left Olympiakos, bringing his second brief but successful spell to a close in 2012, Pep Guardiola was asked what he made of his departure. ?Greece has lost a great coach,? he said, ?and we?ve got a great photographer back.? Valverde?s work had certainly left an impression in Athens, hung on the walls of the Ileana Tounta centre for contemporary art and displayed in the trophy cabinets of the Giorgios Karaiskaskis Stadium, Piraeus ? where, according to his fellow Spaniard Michel Gonz?lez, who eventually took over as manager nine months later, he was a ?deity?.

Deity is not a word he would welcome, one former player insisting ?he evades compliments and prefers the focus to be on his players?, but he is certainly different. The man who led Olympiakos to three leagues and two cups, took Athletic Bilbao to their first title in 31 years and today became Barcelona coach began studying at the Institut d?Estudis Fotogr?fics de Catalunya when he arrived in 1986 to play for Espanyol. In 2012 he published a collection of black‑and‑white images described by the Basque poet and writer Bernardo Atxaga as ?at once delicate and tough, as if produced by two different hands?. The proceeds went to social projects in Athens.

Atxaga is Valverde?s friend. The story goes that one day Miguel Pardeza, the former Madrid player with a PhD and literary pretensions, heard that so struck up conversation on the pitch. He is also close to screenwriter David Trueba and Basque folk-rock singer Ruper Ordorika. His brother Mikel is a cartoonist. His father was an immigrant from Extremadura to the Basque Country, a worker in a tyre factory who spent six months on strike in Vitoria the 1960s ? tough, convulsive days during the dictatorship. And his wife, Monica, is a biologist.

A Stone Roses fan who likened his Athletic return to The Godfather Part II, a sequel that was actually quite good, Valverde too studied biology at university but only for a year while at Sestao River, aged 20. He was a 5ft 5in forward who considered becoming a photographer after retirement and planned to at least dedicate it time, always fascinated by what the snappers at pitchside were doing. But he said ?football absorbs your brain? and he became a manager. Now he is manager of Barcelona.

He was always likely to be. Nicknamed ?Txingurri?, the Ant, by Javier Clemente, Valverde played for Espanyol for two years, then for Barcelona before joining Athletic. At Barcelona, his spell was brief but he worked under Johan Cruyff, who he said ?made an impact on us all?. In 1994, eight years before he even began coaching Athletic?s B team, Cruyff wrote of him: ?He was intelligent and always expressed his interest to learn. As a coach he?ll be one of the most promising.? This is not the first time Barcelona have called, nor are they the only ones. Two summers ago Real Madrid wanted him: he was their first choice, ahead of Rafa Ben?tez.

Valverde said no, which says something about him. When Guardiola left Barcelona, he made two recommendations to succeed him: Valverde and his assistant Tito Vilanova. It was Vilanova they chose, seeking continuity, but two more offers followed swiftly. The next year Barcelona discreetly mentioned the job to him as they sought potential solutions to a delicate problem posed by Vilanova?s deteriorating health. Vilanova wanted to continue, so Barcelona respected that and Valverde agreed to return to Athletic. By the time doctors recommended that Vilanova did not continue, it was too late. Valverde had made a promise and he kept his word.

Tata Martino took over at the Camp Nou then but walked a year later. Again Barcelona offered Valverde the job; again he said he could not leave. When Madrid came, the response was the same. Barcelona accepted and signed Luis Enrique, but advised Valverde they would return. The change of sporting director did not change that intention and this summer, his contract up, European football secure for a fourth season, he and Athletic agreed it was time, no recriminations, no regrets.

As the former Athletic midfielder Javi Gonz?lez says: ?Everything came together. He leaves through the front door, the right way. Everyone wishes him the best and hopefully one day he can come back. At Athletic there?s a ?Before? and ?After? Valverde.?

Gonz?lez played under Valverde during his first spell at San Mam?s and speaks fondly of him. It is hard to find someone who does not. He is engaging company, generous and open, intelligent, genuine, often funny, and universally respected, rising above the rubbish surrounding the game here ? although at Bar?a, with its politics and press, its relentless repercussion and the rivalry with Madrid, that resolve will be tested. As one former player of his puts it: ?He doesn?t want to be the star and isn?t interested in the controversies.?

?I?m like every manager; if it?s in their area I think it?s a penalty; if it?s in ours, I don?t,? Valverde says. Yet few will so openly admit a decision they got was wrong as he does often and he insists that it is not right to ?try to condition referees?. Fewer cut through the bullshit with such ease, and do so with naturalness instead of affected anger.

More importantly, few reach their players like he does. ?His greatest strength is his management of the dressing room,? says the Manchester United midfielder Ander Herrera. ?He?s a top coach in that sense: honest, direct, transparent. It?s not easy to find a situation where starters and subs are both with the manager to the death.?


Gonz?lez says: ?He?s very good psychologically and emotionally, a good motivator. He knows when to push, when to ease off. All coaches have ideas, badges, models, but ultimately that treatment, the dialogue and feedback with players, is vital. That?s his secret.?

Valverde admits that the Athletic dressing room is easy ? a relatively humble, largely homogenous group, 25 men all from the same small area with similar ideas and aspirations ? but Gonz?lez does not think that means he will struggle at Barcelona or that he will lack the necessary authority. Nor should the infamous ?entorno?, the swirl of politics, press and pressure, affect him unduly. When he left Bilbao, having just held a goodbye dinner for over 200 people, he insisted he wanted to go somewhere ?difficult?. The challenge suits him; he won?t shirk it.

One example comes from his handling of an infamous affair when he took Fran Yeste and Asier Del Horno out of the squad for indiscipline. As for pressure: in Greece, it was intense ? all the more so in the midst of the crisis. Olympiakos were obliged to win the league and Valverde saw passion and protests first hand, trouble on the terraces, tension on the streets, and members of his staff living in blocks with electricity periodically cut. Someone who knows him well scoffs: ?Pressure? He doesn?t care. It won?t bother him: if he has to sit Neymar down, say, he will.?

Gonz?lez agrees. ??Txingu? knows that dressing room is full of stars and you can think: ?What are you going to say to Messi?? But he will know; he?s ready,? he says. ?If he has to raise his voice, he will. Most people haven?t seen that character but behind closed doors it?s there. He?ll call a player out for the good of the team, in front of everyone, even if it is a star. He knows how to impose himself. He?s calm at difficult moments and doesn?t let the euphoria affect him in good times: in that he?s a genius. He?s calm when others lose the plot, which players welcome. But while ?Txingu? has this tranquil image ? and that is him ? he also has personality.?


He has conviction, too. After his first game in charge of Athletic, a defeat by Frank Rijkaard?s Barcelona, Valverde insisted he would not do anything he did not believe in. When he was at Espanyol, Cruyff said: ?It?s a pleasure to watch Espanyol play; I am happy there are people like Ernesto who play that way and want people to enjoy it, because that?s what football is for.? One friend calls him a ?son of Cruyff?, his fitness coach Jos? Antonio Pozanco was raised at La Masia and later worked with Rijkaard; Xavi Hern?ndez, that most determined defender of the Barcelona faith, insisted in 2007: ?Valverde?s teams play good football: they like to have the ball, they don?t just boot it.?

But while that connection matters in Catalonia, it does not mean rigidity, nor make Valverde a philosopher. ?Light matters, goals matter more. In photos and in football, you seek balance,? he said when his exhibition opened in Athens. ?Both depend on the elements you have available to you.?

?There?s variety in his system, his methods. He knows how to train: he makes it fun, a lot of the ball, technical work. He?s not repetitive and players love it ? every day is different. He?s not overly obsessed with tiny tactical details, not least because the ideas, the philosophy, is so ingrained at both Athletic and Barcelona,? Gonz?lez says. ?Besides I see some similarities between the two clubs. Lots of the concepts he had at Athletic fit Barcelona too.?

?One of his strengths is that he adapts,? Herrera says. ?In Bilbao, with Ra?l Garc?a and Aritz Aduriz, two great finishers in the air, he played in a way that aimed to get the ball into them as soon as possible, particularly from wide positions; in Barcelona, I?m sure he?ll adapt to fit the qualities of the players. These days managing dressing room egos is fundamental and Ernesto is fantastic at that. We all know what the challenge is: at Barcelona, the obligation is to win every game. But I?m sure he?ll be a success.?
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
" Under Valverde The Camp Nou was an unstoppable fortress, the best home record in the history of football"

Some videos from our glory days in 2017-2019:
2017: Real:Barca 0:3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nZRAna38NQ
2018: Barca:Real 5:1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8jMLaLNAPE
2019: Real:Barca 0:1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLVZBN3PH6U

Btw, I have to notice that this dude Rakitic (the worst player ever) played quite well in El Classicos compared to shitty overhyped midfielders which we have today.
 

JohnN

Senior Member
Some videos from our glory days in 2017-2019:
2017: Real:Barca 0:3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nZRAna38NQ
2018: Barca:Real 5:1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8jMLaLNAPE
2019: Real:Barca 0:1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLVZBN3PH6U

Btw, I have to notice that this dude Rakitic (the worst player ever) played quite well in El Classicos compared to shitty overhyped midfielders which we have today.

Rakitic was a really good player, but was burnt out by 2019. He was the same as busi now. Undropable for his former status and not his actual level.
 

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