Ernesto Valverde

[Sailor Mars]

If Messi avoids criticism of Barcelona's failures over the past few years due to terrible player recruitment decisions by the board, then Valverde should get that same treatment. He could've squeezed more juice if he got some quality signings and wasn't saddled with the likes of Dembele, Coutinho, and Griezmann.

BUT, his style was slow and boring. Anybody could see that the team would eventually fall off a cliff. There was no exciting future to look forward to. Boring football week after week knowing it wouldn't change.

He also didn't seem to have much pushback against senior team players and the board. Not the right personality to manage this type of team.

 

[Messigician]

I honestly miss Valverde's haram ball

 

[bismp]

The state of this forum…Messi haters,CR fanboys and Valverde apologists

People are trying to rewrite history and paint Valverde as the man for the job,who did so much with so few…

They say that he “dominated” Spanish football,despite losing Neymar and not getting Veratti. The truth is that Valverde was up against a Real Madrid that had nothing to do with Real Madrid between 2010 and 2017 and an Atletico team which also was in a low point.

He played the most boring football you can imagine and he is part of the reason that Dembele and Coutinho flopped so hard.

The squad was not elite yes,but all the amigos were 3-4 years younger,including Messi.People conviently forget that Leo had a really solid 2017/18 season and a GOAT-level 2018/19.Without him we would definitely lose 2019 La Liga,we would get knocked out by Chelsea in 2018 and by ManU in 2019.

People also dare to compare with him with Setien und Koeman.Well to be honest,it is partly fair,as Ernie’s level is much closer to these mediocre coaches than Klopp,Pep etc.

Yes,Setien flopped hard,but he INHERITED the mess that Valverde was partially responsible for. Do people really forget that we were dog shit in 2019/20 even when Valverde was still around. The man got FDJ and played him as a left midfielder for fuck’s sake

And i don’t even mention his fixation with amigos such as Rakitic(who MUST have blackmailed Ernie somehow,there’s no other reason…),Suarez,Busi,Alba etc…

Ernie was hugely responsible for our shit form in 2019/20,because he had depleted the team’s fitness during his tenure and had built a loser’s mentality.

Regarding the Koeman comparisons,yes both are mediocre,but Koeman has a team full of inexperienced youngsters,I doubt Ernie would do much better.

All these reasons are enough to paint Valverde as a mediocre coach who was out of his depth and his only success was hugely influenced by prime Messi.

The cherry on top is of course the back to back CL chokejobs and humiliations. It was his job to prepare the team mentally ,physically and tactically.

Instead,we tried to defend a 4-1 lead against freaking Roma(another indication of his loser mentality) and we got hammered by a Liverpool side without Salah etc.


But…

IT IS WHAT IT IS

 

[vegitot]

The state of this forum?Messi haters,CR fanboys and Valverde apologists

People are trying to rewrite history and paint Valverde as the man for the job,who did so much with so few?

They say that he ?dominated? Spanish football,despite losing Neymar and not getting Veratti. The truth is that Valverde was up against a Real Madrid that had nothing to do with Real Madrid between 2010 and 2017 and an Atletico team which also was in a low point.

He played the most boring football you can imagine and he is part of the reason that Dembele and Coutinho flopped so hard.

The squad was not elite yes,but all the amigos were 3-4 years younger,including Messi.People conviently forget that Leo had a really solid 2017/18 season and a GOAT-level 2018/19.Without him we would definitely lose 2019 La Liga,we would get knocked out by Chelsea in 2018 and by ManU in 2019.

People also dare to compare with him with Setien und Koeman.Well to be honest,it is partly fair,as Ernie?s level is much closer to these mediocre coaches than Klopp,Pep etc.

Yes,Setien flopped hard,but he INHERITED the mess that Valverde was partially responsible for. Do people really forget that we were dog shit in 2019/20 even when Valverde was still around. The man got FDJ and played him as a left midfielder for fuck?s sake

And i don?t even mention his fixation with amigos such as Rakitic(who MUST have blackmailed Ernie somehow,there?s no other reason?),Suarez,Busi,Alba etc?

Ernie was hugely responsible for our shit form in 2019/20,because he had depleted the team?s fitness during his tenure and had built a loser?s mentality.

Regarding the Koeman comparisons,yes both are mediocre,but Koeman has a team full of inexperienced youngsters,I doubt Ernie would do much better.

All these reasons are enough to paint Valverde as a mediocre coach who was out of his depth and his only success was hugely influenced by prime Messi.

The cherry on top is of course the back to back CL chokejobs and humiliations. It was his job to prepare the team mentally ,physically and tactically.

Instead,we tried to defend a 4-1 lead against freaking Roma(another indication of his loser mentality) and we got hammered by a Liverpool side without Salah etc.


But?

IT IS WHAT IT IS

Lol Dembele and Coutinho floped because of EV State of this poster.

Real Madrid toyed with Liverpool in 2018 final and won 3 UCL in a row now is a weak team

2 years later and he is still in some's head

 

[Joan]

Lol Dembele and Coutinho floped because of EV State of this poster.

Real Madrid toyed with Liverpool in 2018 final and won 3 UCL in a row now is a weak team

2 years later and he is still in some's head

Messi fanboys, CR and Valverde haters. What's there to say?

 

[KingLeo10]

EV is a mid table level coach. He had younger and better versions of Messi (both seasons and especially 18/19) and Suarez (17/18), which is why he was able to secure those 2 LLs.

Setien being mediocre and Koeman being just as bad as EV, if not worse, doesn't magically turn EV into a world class manager.

Let me know when he coaches a top team again (EPL top 4, Bayern, Juventus, RM or Barca). Until then, the EV twerkers can stay put.

 

[Messigician]

EV is a mid table level coach. He had younger and better versions of Messi (both seasons and especially 18/19) and Suarez (17/18), which is why he was able to secure those 2 LLs.

Setien being mediocre and Koeman being just as bad as EV, if not worse, doesn't magically turn EV into a world class manager.

Let me know when he coaches a top team again (EPL top 4, Bayern, Juventus, RM or Barca). Until then, the EV twerkers can stay put.

There's actually a EV hater in 2021 lmfao

Thought you guys died out even Serghei admitted he was wrong about Goatverde

 

[KingLeo10]

There's actually a EV hater in 2021 lmfao

Thought you guys died out even Serghei admitted he was wrong about Goatverde

Is EV in the class of Klopp, Pep, Tuchel?

 

[Messigician]

Is EV in the class of Klopp, Pep, Tuchel?

Yes, no doubt give EV that 2011 Barca team and he goes undefeated

 

[KingLeo10]

Yes, no doubt

 

[Birdy]

Is that on him?
He was asked to win at any cost and was give a team of veterans to do so, because the board was too arrogant to embrace a rebuild.
Before joining us, EV was actually known as a youth leaning coach just like Koeman.
He was promised Verratti to build around beside other young players like Umtiti and Neymar

What other option did he have? Promote Alena and play him over Iniesta/Coutinho?
It isn't like there were any hidden gems out there that he wasn't fair to them

Ultimately the responsibility is always on the board.

But Valverde has his share of responsibility, as he accepted that role.
He went down in history as the coach that let Barca's playing stlyle and football values go down the drain

 

[Messigician]

Let's break it down

Man management

EV and Klopp tier 1

Pep and Tuchel tier 3 known to fall out with everyone

Personality

Ev tier 1 humble likeable man into photography and philosophy.

Klopp tier 2 generally pretty good but a bit weird and crazy with some saltiness

Tier 3 Tuchel falls out with everyone lol

Tier 4 Pep unlikeable and fake person

Tactics Tier 1
Pep when his plan A works it works
Klopp very good tactician managed to overturn 3-0 deficit

Tier 2 EV, Excellent overall but could have done more to stem the bleeding had to be more pragmatic rather than go for goals which he admits he regrets.

Tier 3 Tuchel
Not impressed besdies a lucky run with Chelsea and PSG

Overall
EV 1
Klopp 2nd
Pep 3rd
Tuchel 4th

 

[Messigician]

Ultimately the responsibility is always on the board.

But Valverde has his share of responsibility, as he accepted that role.
He went down in history as the coach that let Barca's playing stlyle and football values go down the drain

No he hasn't lmfao he's the one who kept us competitive.

Setien try classic tiki taka see what happens lmfao ty goatverde for Spanish dominance and Messi ballon dor

 

[snowy]

Is EV in the class of Klopp, Pep, Tuchel?

No ... but he had his YES moment [depending on circumstances]

How he massively outperformed in the almost unbeaten 1st season, with his boring yet practical snooze-style, I think out of the 3, only Tuchel would've managed because he himself is naturally defensively inclined.

Coaches I prefer like Klopp, Gasperini, Ten Hag, Pep and Bielsa would've have done as well and probably driven the squad to mutiny due their demanding tempo and training regimen.

Also bearing in mind that Koe has more youth talent available (Gavi, Yusuf, Kays, Balde...) than EV. His subs yesterday were good but not starting them was a major poohpooh

EV was also guilty of not always fielding based on merit but he was more flexible than Koe.

What's weird is that Koe knows he's getting the boot so why does he keep playing slow-mo footie, it's a mystery

 

[soul24rage]

Overall
EV 1
Klopp 2nd
Pep 3rd
Tuchel 4th

Please take a vacation, this is embarrassing beyond belief.