Ernesto Valverde

[ajnotkeith]

Classic BF revisionism. Just because we have had failures, that doesn't make the decision to move on from the previous failure a wrong move. Same shit on this forum with Busquets, EV, Dani Alves, etc.

The mistake was planning poorly and bringing absolute trash as replacements, not changing something that clearly needed changing. Valverde is a better coach than Xavi, yes, but he was a horrible eye sore for us and needed to go. Keep in mind he had the GOAT to win him games over and over and over.

I don't think he failed. He did a good job.

Just not an amazing one.

Keep in mind it's not like managers at top clubs last forever anyway, most of them are regularly changing their manager, it doesn't particularly mean that one was bad necessarily but that they had to be moved on from.

 

[Morten]

Classic BF revisionism. Just because we have had failures, that doesn't make the decision to move on from the previous failure a wrong move. Same shit on this forum with Busquets, EV, Dani Alves, etc.

The mistake was planning poorly and bringing absolute trash as replacements, not changing something that clearly needed changing. Valverde is a better coach than Xavi, yes, but he was a horrible eye sore for us and needed to go. Keep in mind he had the GOAT to win him games over and over and over.

Messi immediately dropped down a notch once EV left, he didnt win league titles after either.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Firing EV was one of the biggest mistakes in football history, i mean even Messi said he had no fault.
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+ Xavi > Setien tough.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

not that hard against this team, probably the worst Barca of this century

Probably his first time beating Barcelona,
Don't ever remember this fool winning any

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Probably his first time beating Barcelona,
Don't ever remember this fool winning any

Didnt he also win 4-0 in supercopa 2015, aduriz hattrick?

 

[iniestaGOAT]

Didnt he also win 4-0 in supercopa 2015, aduriz hattrick?

Lol man I don't remember what happened 10 years but I have my doubts about this foo beating us.

 

[Blackened]

An awesome tactician and a first-class gentleman. Both Messi and Suarez loved him dearly. His Barca won two back-to-back La Ligas and routinely destroyed CL-dominating Real. His supposed short-comings? Those two awful away games against Roma and Liverpool. Did he tell players to just "take it easy and chill" when Manolas and Origi scored from corners? Of course not. It was all down to the players, not with Ernesto's tactics. Along with Unai Emery, the most underrated and misunderstood coach in the world.

 

[CatalinR10]

“Retardo” vindicated as usual

4 games vs Xavi , 3 losses.

Therefore nah.

 

[CatalinR10]

Messi immediately dropped down a notch once EV left, he didnt win league titles after either.

True , he only won World Cup , Copa America , Finalissima , titles in France and like a billion individual trophies.


Have some shame

 

[Morten]

True , he only won World Cup , Copa America , Finalissima , titles in France and like a billion individual trophies.


Have some shame

Has nothing to do with Barca, and Uber eats trophies are meaningless anyway.

 

[CatalinR10]

Has nothing to do with Barca, and Uber eats trophies are meaningless anyway.

Then why you didn't specify that you were talking about his Barca career only ?

Didn't Messi stay for one more season after Valverde left ? Small sample to make any judgments.

He also won the Ballon d'or after Valverde left and carried Barcelona as usual.

Trying to attribute any sort of Messi's individual brilliance on Valverde is as shameless as it gets.

 

[Morten]

Its clear i was talking about Barca, you are not dumb.

Barca accomplished nothing of note for years after Valverde left, and yes, Messi performed worse after he left, simple as that.

Messi and the players liked Valverde, thought it was a mistake having him removed, and they were proven right.

 

[KingLeo10]

True , he only won World Cup , Copa America , Finalissima , titles in France and like a billion individual trophies.


Have some shame

Morten's raging boner for EV as a RM fan (and constant insinuation that somehow EV was the one who was making Messi look good) is seriously making me consider lumping him in with the trolls, who predictably are in a twerking frenzy over this above average coach like he is some Pep.

The EV making Messi look good argument only works if Messi didn't score as much BOTH before EV and also after EV.

Before EV: Messi averaged 50 goals and 20 assists (70 G + A) for 9 (NINE) straight years from 08-2016 Including some years with like 120 G +A (2012). Won 3-4 CLs before EV, bunch of LL, bunch of cup finals.

After EV: Messi was an aged player almost 33 and become more and more of an attacking midfielder. His goals dropped, assists stayed same or went up. But in this phase post EV, he won World Cup, Copa, Finalissima, and other trophies.

The occasional shitpost with the EV made Messi look good narrative by Morten and co. is ok for shits and giggles but the mods need to start slapping some sense when it builds into this trolling frenzy

 

[CatalinR10]

Messi performed worse after he left, simple as that.

Valverde performed worse ( 0 trophies and 8th spot in La Liga ) and didn't win anything without Messi in his team after he left , simple as that.

Anyone can play this dumb game of yours.

Find shame for your takes and for supporting a corrupted club.

I'm oot.

 

[KingLeo10]

Its clear i was talking about Barca, you are not dumb.

Barca accomplished nothing of note for years after Valverde left, and yes, Messi performed worse after he left, simple as that.

Are you mentally challenged or do you understand the fact that such strong conclusions can't be drawn without the remainder of the variables being constant.
Barca's finances are much weaker than in EV's days when he got like 300M to spend. The core group of winners is gone, and was already aging in his day.

The only strong conclusion you can draw is 2019-2020 season where EV led Barca half of it, Setien the other half. Everything else was relatively the same and EV outperformed Setien. No shit everyone here agrees NOW that EV >> Setien.

The Messi post EV shit is flawed for reasons I outlined in the other post. You are not dumb. Stop trying to audition for a place among the trolls.