Euro 2020 (2021)

[KingLeo10]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], you're right. all of Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, and France have been much more relevant than Spain on the international level.

 

[SmilerBam]

This is what you would see if Barca would play without Messi last year.

Tell that to the "knowledgeable" fans here. They know everything.

 

[serghei]

Lucho doesn't understand NT football very well. It's very different from managing a club team. At a club team you can build better since you have more time with these players and so on. At national team level, you have to work with experienced mentally tough players.

Zero time for experiments and player development.

 

[DonAK]

I actually thought Alba was good in the last two games, working his ass off, all over the place and created some of Spain?s few chances.

Cannot stand Alba.

 

[xXKonan]

Sarabia should be nowhere near this team and what do the likes of Fabian Ruiz even offer anyway? the guy is basically the Spanish Andre Gomes that looks tidier on the ball.

 

[serghei]

Sarabia should be nowhere near this team and what do the likes of Fabian Ruiz even offer anyway? the guy is basically the Spanish Andre Gomes that looks tidier on the ball.

Napoli missed the chance to cash in big on him. At one point he had a top form that could have solicited a big fee.

 

[El Gato]

Didn't expect a draw. NGL Polskis celebrating the valiant stopping of the worst Spain in 20 years is amusing.
Can't wait till they help out Isak's scoring woes.

 

[Mateka]

Definite nudge by Lewandowski. Enough that a free kick could have been given, not enough for Laporte to go down.

 

[te amo barca]

Even Asensio would have been more effective than Olmo and Ferran on the wings. Very mediocre players. Should not bring back Olmo even for free.

 

[hardyboy]

I bet Lewa wouldn't havescored that had Ramos was on the pitch. It was a retarded decision not selecting Ramos.

 

[Mateka]

I bet Lewa wouldn't havescored that had Ramos was on the pitch. It was a retarded decision not selecting Ramos.

If Ramos was on the pitch, Lewandowski would have received the nudge.

 

[BBZ8800]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], you're right. all of Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, and France have been much more relevant than Spain on the international level.

Yes.
Also, I would add a factor of consistency.

For example, if one system/style is consistently good, I would expect it to win trophies or reach semis/finals each 10-15 years, with different generation of players.
Germany, Italy, Brazil have been dominating for 100 years in a row consistently, more or less.

On the other hand, if Spain was meh for 80 years, then good for 4 years and then meh in the next 10 years, what is more likely?
1) Spanish football is historically average except with Xavi-Iniesta
2) or their football is awesome and they just have meh players currently?

Europe wise, I would historically rate NT teams this way:
1) Germany and Italy
2) France, due to emerging only since 80s and 1998 compared to Italy and Germany who are on top since 1950
3) Netherlands = eternal losers, no big team in the world has so many defeats in finals and semis as them. But at least, they are reaching semis and finals consistently since 70s
4) England = almost never reach semis
Spain = GOAT from 2008-2012, meh in other 100 years
Portugal = ok since 2004 and Cr7, meh in the 20th century
5) everyone else

One interesting and disturbing fact (but it can explain a lot about Barca in a CL) is that our football is built based on Spanish and Dutch football.
Spain are technically good but physically weak, too friendly, not to combative and not aggressive.
Dutch are also technically good but extremely suspect mental strength wise (never winning trophies, always losing in finals, always crumbling under pressure especially on penalty kicks during matches and in penalty shootout).

One have to wonder: how many CLs we would have won without Messi, Xavi, Iniesta?
And how will our future look like without Messi, and if we'll rely on Pedri-Puig paired with mentally fragile Dutch players?
Basing on stats and history: not good.

 

[Morten]

Its funny how Italy looks like the 2nd coming of Germany(2014) this tournament, yet the majority of their players are from Serie A, and Serie A teams looked way off pace in CL.

International football is just different, i guess.

 

[Birdy]

evident after 2 games that:
Germany plays the best football in the competition,
Italy 2nd behind them

everyone else is waaaay below them

Hope to see both Germany and Italy reach at least semis here

 

[vegitot]

Yes.
Also, I would add a factor of consistency.

For example, if one system/style is consistently good, I would expect it to win trophies or reach semis/finals each 10-15 years, with different generation of players.
Germany, Italy, Brazil have been dominating for 100 years in a row consistently, more or less.

On the other hand, if Spain was meh for 80 years, then good for 4 years and then meh in the next 10 years, what is more likely?
1) Spanish football is historically average except with Xavi-Iniesta
2) or their football is awesome and they just have meh players currently?

Europe wise, I would historically rate NT teams this way:
1) Germany and Italy
2) France, due to emerging only since 80s and 1998 compared to Italy and Germany who are on top since 1950
3) Netherlands = eternal losers, no big team in the world has so many defeats in finals and semis as them. But at least, they are reaching semis and finals consistently since 70s
4) England = almost never reach semis
Spain = GOAT from 2008-2012, meh in other 100 years
Portugal = ok since 2004 and Cr7, meh in the 20th century
5) everyone else

One interesting and disturbing fact (but it can explain a lot about Barca in a CL) is that our football is built based on Spanish and Dutch football.
Spain are technically good but physically weak, too friendly, not to combative and not aggressive.
Dutch are also technically good but extremely suspect mental strength wise (never winning trophies, always losing in finals, always crumbling under pressure especially on penalty kicks during matches and in penalty shootout).

One have to wonder: how many CLs we would have won without Messi, Xavi, Iniesta?
And how will our future look like without Messi, and if we'll rely on Pedri-Puig paired with mentally fragile Dutch players?
Basing on stats and history: not good.

Lmao do you really rate Spain on the same level as England or Portugal, and below Netherland??? They win most Euro and a World Cup. Portugal have done well in Euro since 2000 but they are still poor in World Cup. Netherland never win World Cup, 1 Euro. England are just overhyped.

Italy after 2006 World Cup weren't consistent and failed to get past World Cup group stage twice in a row, even failed to qualify for World Cup 2018.