Euro 2020 (2021)

vegitot

Senior Member
Netherlands:
Wc finals: 1974, 1978, 2010
Semis: 1998, 2014

Uefa winners: 1988
Semis: 1976, 1992, 2000, 2004

In the last 50 years, they have 4 finals and 10 semis on Wcs and Euros.

Spain:
Wc win: 2010
Semis: 1950

Euros:
Win: 1964, 2008, 2012
Finals: 1984

4 wins, 5 finals, 6 semis.

On the other hand, Germany:
Wc wins: 1954, 1974, 1990, 2014
Wc finals: 1966, 1982, 1986, 2002
Wc semis: 1934, 1970, 2006, 2010
Euro wins: 1972, 1980, 1996
Euro finals: 1976, 1992, 2008
Euro semis: 1988, 2012, 2016

7 wins, 14 finals, 21 semis

So:
21 semis Germany
10 semis Netherlands
6 semis Spain

In terms of consistency of Spanish football over the last 70-100 years, are they closer to a tier of Germany and Italy or Netherlands/Portugal?

When you remove Xavi-Iniesta generation, Spain has 3 semis in the last 100 years of World cups and Euros.
That doesn't sound like successful or consistent NT team.
Imo, Spanish domination is just a modern myth/revisionism of history.
When Barca was winning during Pep, we had to read false shit like: La Masia is better than all academies in the world.
Or: Barca is different. We don't buy superstars, we create superstars from our academy.
Lol. 2021 says hi.
The same is with a Spanish NT team. Due to a recency bias, a lot of fans started to believe that Spain is the force and that they were always the force.

But now, 10 years later and when you check stats from the last century, 2008-2012 seems more like a fluke/golden generation than like a consistent pattern.

And if we take into the account that football is evolving towards more pace, strength, height, stamina and muscles and how Spanish people are usually overly nice and humble guys who aren't dirty or combative, one has to wonder how their short, light, nice guys, slowish technical players will cope in the future in a high pressure fast & furious & physical football.

Why do you remove 2008-12 generation??? If you remove Pele generation then Brazil would be forever in dark till 1994.

Do you seriously compare back to back European champion and a World Cup in between to something like which team have more semi final???

Spain are level above the like of England or Portugal if you compare their history. Netherland may have richer World Cup history though (still zero World cup trophy).

Germany are 1st though.
 

Devils

Senior Member
Damn I'm starting to believe Italia could actually win this whole thing.

Gonna eat some pasta today for lunch.
 

ThwiX

Best midfielder around
Need a winner from the Switzerland-Turkey game so the third place gets 4 or 5 points. Need that in as many groups as possible so that if Portugal lose against France and only have 3 points, they are out.
 

Horatio

You're welcome
Need a winner from the Switzerland-Turkey game so the third place gets 4 or 5 points. Need that in as many groups as possible so that if Portugal lose against France and only have 3 points, they are out.

Turkey has 0 points so far so would only end up with 3 points if win. Switzerland needs to win for 4 points.
 

Mateka

New member
Yes.
Also, I would add a factor of consistency.

For example, if one system/style is consistently good, I would expect it to win trophies or reach semis/finals each 10-15 years, with different generation of players.
Germany, Italy, Brazil have been dominating for 100 years in a row consistently, more or less.

On the other hand, if Spain was meh for 80 years, then good for 4 years and then meh in the next 10 years, what is more likely?
1) Spanish football is historically average except with Xavi-Iniesta
2) or their football is awesome and they just have meh players currently?

Europe wise, I would historically rate NT teams this way:
1) Germany and Italy
2) France, due to emerging only since 80s and 1998 compared to Italy and Germany who are on top since 1950
3) Netherlands = eternal losers, no big team in the world has so many defeats in finals and semis as them. But at least, they are reaching semis and finals consistently since 70s
4) England = almost never reach semis
Spain = GOAT from 2008-2012, meh in other 100 years
Portugal = ok since 2004 and Cr7, meh in the 20th century
5) everyone else

One interesting and disturbing fact (but it can explain a lot about Barca in a CL) is that our football is built based on Spanish and Dutch football.
Spain are technically good but physically weak, too friendly, not to combative and not aggressive.
Dutch are also technically good but extremely suspect mental strength wise (never winning trophies, always losing in finals, always crumbling under pressure especially on penalty kicks during matches and in penalty shootout).

One have to wonder: how many CLs we would have won without Messi, Xavi, Iniesta?
And how will our future look like without Messi, and if we'll rely on Pedri-Puig paired with mentally fragile Dutch players?
Basing on stats and history: not good.

Now this was THE NT.


BRAZIL:
GK 1 Felix
DF 4 Carlos Alberto (c)
DF 3 Piazza
DF 2 Brito
DF 16 Everaldo
MF 5 Clodoaldo
MF 8 Gerson
MF 7 Jairzinho
FW 9 Tostao
FW 10 Pele
FW 11 Rivelino
Manager:
Mario Zagallo
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
Many people thought they would be dark horses but instead they are the worst team in the tournament.

0 goals scored and 7 conceded.
 

Devils

Senior Member
Turkey
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Morten

Senior Member
Many people thought they would be dark horses but instead they are the worst team in the tournament.

0 goals scored and 7 conceded.

I dont know any of these people, Turkey was just an average side, yes they might be worse than expected, but they weren't going to do anything special regardless.

I only heard this "dark horse"-talk when they started losing.
 

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