Euro 2024
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Maradona37
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What makes them top players exactly? They're big 'names' but they rarely impress to be honest.
As an example, I have watched Malen a lot, and I would never describe him as a 'top player'. Ditto Maatsen. If they were Slovenian or Georgian and not Dutch, would you still describe them as top players?
Not looking for an argument, but honestly not sure they're as good as you are making them out to be.
Besides that, today's game against Austria should teach about not judging on paper anyway, even if they are better on paper (admittedly with a worse coach).
jamrock
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The dutch squad is kinda like VVD and De jong, overated and will come up small when it matters most, they stand a chance now that de jong is injured, they can beat the English.
But as always with the dutch, it's more hype that substance,as shown today.
Doesn't matter who the coach is, kinda like the English really.
But as always with the dutch, it's more hype that substance,as shown today.
Doesn't matter who the coach is, kinda like the English really.
Maradona37
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Furthermore, all of England's best players are Kane, Stones and the wingers/attacking midfielders. They are top heavy.
It is like when idiots slagged off Messi cos of how 'strong' the Argentina squad was - even though their best players were all forwards and only so many can play at once. There was zero balance, just like England trying to fit Foden and Bellingham into the same team and having a RB play LB cos Southgate is such a clown he selected a crocked natural LB.
Most of their midfielders, centre-backs, full-backs and especially their goalkeepers are woeful.
As I said earlier, I think a lot of fans get carried away with players hyped in the media and who play for big countries. Netherlands and England are fashionable countries, so we overrate plenty of their players. You can't blame the coaches 100 per cent, Birdy, many of the players are hyped up beyond their abilities.
It is like when idiots slagged off Messi cos of how 'strong' the Argentina squad was - even though their best players were all forwards and only so many can play at once. There was zero balance, just like England trying to fit Foden and Bellingham into the same team and having a RB play LB cos Southgate is such a clown he selected a crocked natural LB.
Most of their midfielders, centre-backs, full-backs and especially their goalkeepers are woeful.
As I said earlier, I think a lot of fans get carried away with players hyped in the media and who play for big countries. Netherlands and England are fashionable countries, so we overrate plenty of their players. You can't blame the coaches 100 per cent, Birdy, many of the players are hyped up beyond their abilities.
Maradona37
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Yeah I don't get how anyone describes nothing or at best decent players like Reijnders, Maatsen, Dumfries and Malen as 'top players'. No chance he'd say that if they were wearing an Albanian top.
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England get lucky once again with an easy side of the bracket, I just can’t. This is exactly how Southgate achieved his “success” with the NT.
Horatio
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He called Nico Williams 1-on-1 master. It’s fine.
Aye, master, but no top club in it for him willing to pay his fee except us.
Maradona37
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He seems a very nice guy, Birdy. I just don't understand how he can call those players 'top players'. They clearly are not.
Then people will slag off similar players from less fashionable countries. Football is not played on paper, it's played on grass. You don't win anything through being hyped in the media.
Horatio
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you are clueless as always.On a side note: I don’t see it with Simons… whenever I watch him he’s shit.
Maradona37
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Birdy? Yeah he seems a good lad. I just don't know why he is rating those players so highly.
Birdy
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Why are you messing financial and sporting side of things together
If you followed my comments on the earlier games, you would have seen I praised Ragnick for his use of his squad and bashed Koeman.
Now seriously, which Austrian player you think gets into that Dutch team?
Laimer, yes possibly, Sabitzer questionable.
Anyone else? NO
we are talking about individual quality here, what each of them can do with the ball, not about how the coach coordinates them
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