European Super League

[Yannik]

What is UEFA without Barca, RM, Milan clubs, Juve, United, Pool, though?

Temporarily humbled, until broadcasters and players return back and the old guard gets replaced by new big clubs that people will watch.
Hopefully by then the UEFA made some progress on their own shitty competition though, or it will just happen again at some point. Having all the influental owners out for a while can be a chance to reform some shit that was previously rejected whenever brought up (pls salary cap).

 

[Morten]

German clubs will keep away from ESL, unless UEFA falls apart somehow.



International football is sanctioned by FIFA, who made a statement against the ESL. Under the pressure from their confederation UEFA they can impose a ban on players.

Not to give them any ideas, but i guess the solution for Perez and co is to create "Super world cup", so they can play international football there, i guess.

 

[SmilerBam]

Clubs need American names now...

Juventus Backstabbers
Real Madrid Godfathers
Barcelona Goodfellas
Inter Sopranos
Milan Traitors
Liverpool Bloodsuckers
Arsenal Gun Traffickers
Chelsea Madafuckers
Manchester United in Crime
Manchester Sin City
Atletico Madrid Assholes
Tottenham Big Chickens

Haha, this is brilliant.

 

[KingLeo10]

Temporarily humbled, until broadcasters and players return back and the old guard gets replaced by new big clubs that people will watch.
Hopefully by then the UEFA made some progress on their own shitty competition though, or it will just happen again at some point.

Big clubs don't just sprout from trees though, as we saw even with the plastic clubs like City or PSG, who I don't consider big right now.

I don't see which new teams can fill the void and if they can, it would take 10-15-20 years at least. UEFA would only have Bayern as their historic club for that time.

 

[SmilerBam]

What is UEFA without Barca, RM, Milan clubs, Juve, United, Pool, though?

Honestly, if i would be UEFA and the National Leagues, i would let them go on with their stupid idea. Of course, baning their players from international competitions too. So the only thing they ll play is that ridiculous Super Shit they have. I m sure that what players dreamed off when they picked to be footballers.

 

[Windhook]

Not to give them any ideas, but i guess the solution for Perez and co is to create "Super world cup", so they can play international football there, i guess.

Yeah, I thought about that, no matter how absurd. A World Cup with just England, Argentina, Spain and Italy. Like Pro Evolution Soccer 3 demo.

 

[Hardy]

https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1384171798271430662

 

[Porque]

Not to give them any ideas, but i guess the solution for Perez and co is to create "Super world cup", so they can play international football there, i guess.

But then players outside of the Super League would again be banned by FIFA. Easier solution is to sign an MOU with the Olympic Committee for Super League players to be allowed to compete there.

I don't think FIFA would go against the IOC.

 

[Yannik]

Honestly, if i would be UEFA and the National Leagues, i would let them go on with their stupid idea. Of course, baning their players from international competitions too. So the only thing they ll play is that ridiculous Super Shit they have. I m sure that what players dreamed off when they picked to be footballers.

I kinda disapprove of the idea to ban the players from internationals. At least not yet.
All these players got up this morning, opened the newspaper and first heard that a Superleague is finally formed. What are we gonna punish the players for? It's not their fault.

If we're taking about banning players that move there in the future, then I'm fine with it. At that point you know the risk.

 

[Luftstalag14]

The current situation is that

a) both Bayern and Dortmund came out publicly to denounce the Super League and promise not to join them. Noone asked them to do that.

b) unlike other top 5 leagues the DFL follows a hardcoded licensing model. Clubs need to reapply for a league license before every season starts and fulfill every criteria to start in the 1st or 2nd division. The criteria also requires that you cant be part of a foreign tournament. The license statute cant be changed unless the DFL which consists of the 36 clubs of the first and second division democratically approve it.

c) a breakaway into the ESL would require membership votes. It's too big to be decided by the chairman alone. Also regarding application for membership via internet. Yes you can do that, but the main perks of a Bayern membership are prioritized ticketing as its almost impossible to get a Bayern ticket with 250k applicants for a 75k stadium and members get first buy options (and even then there are more members than season tickets available). Not something a dude from the US or India would typically be interested in, at least not enough to really have a big outcome on such votes.
The owners of memberships are almost entirely match goers and ultras. Since you know a thing or two about German football culture, you can probably imagine what these people are like. Also actually voting FOR the breakaway into the ESL also means 50+1 wouldnt apply to Bayern anymore. So members would essentially vote out their own grip on the club which would be quite paradox.

This is why I dont believe in it. And why I fancy the chances of seeing KingLeo10 with a Bayern badge by 2024.

a) Let's see if they will change their minds later on. Again, huge respect to them if they don't budge.

b) What makes the ESL different from the CL, from a DFL licensing perspective? Why isn't the CL considered a "foreign tournament"? I do understand the danger of losing the Bundesliga license and therefore being banned from the Buli, just like the other leagues have threatened to do.

c) This is where I am confused and don't understand. Both Barca and Bayern are owned by their members and I have heard that in our case, it will need to go through a vote by the socis, not sure if it is true or not. What I don't get is, before this goes through a vote by the members, how can Barca say "yes" and Bayern say "no" respectively?

Speaking of plastic/fake Bayern members getting membership to buy tickets for the purpose of reselling them, what I have seen people claiming (not sure if it is true or not) was they couldn't get their hands on games like Der Klassiker and other high profile games, but they did manage to get tickets to many other games, particularly in those less desirable sections of the stadium. Again not sure if was true or not. I don't doubt the percentage of those fake/plastic Bayern members is probably very small though.

 

[Messigician]

We do not need socio approval.

Similar thing happened with the Barcelona basketball division.

Whatever Barto did it is too late for Laporta to back out now. Agreements have been signed and must be honored.

One final parting gift I guess

 

[SmilerBam]

I kinda disapprove of the idea to ban the players from internationals. At least not yet.
All these players got up this morning, opened the newspaper and first heard that a Superleague is finally formed. What are we gonna punish the players for? It's not their fault.

If we're taking about banning players that move there in the future, then I'm fine with it. At that point you know the risk.

Well, a radical idea like this SuperLeague has to be met with a radical punishment. In this way, you'll force some players hands, some big ones hopefully, because the European Championship and the World Cup are still too big of a tournaments to not play in. I know,it's not a cute idea, but this SuperLeague shit has to be stopped at all costs. Not saying the current CL format is great,but it's still miles better than a closed and americanised shop like this idea.

 

[SmilerBam]

We do not need socio approval.

Similar thing happened with the Barcelona basketball division.

Whatever Barto did it is too late for Laporta to back out now. Agreements have been signed and must be honored.

One final parting gift I guess

That man should be hunted and killed like a puma hunts a mountain deer.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Temporarily humbled, until broadcasters and players return back and the old guard gets replaced by new big clubs that people will watch.
Hopefully by then the UEFA made some progress on their own shitty competition though, or it will just happen again at some point. Having all the influental owners out for a while can be a chance to reform some shit that was previously rejected whenever brought up (pls salary cap).

This is the hard part. Broadcasters, sponsors and investors won't be pumping in as much money as they did before into the CL and leagues without those big clubs. Unless of course if the ESL fails miserably and players start revolting, quitting those ESL clubs and start joining the likes of Bayern, Dortmund, PSG, Sevilla, Real Betis, Valencia, Leicester City etc.

 

[Messigician]

That man should be hunted and killed like a puma hunts a mountain deer.

Bit radical mate. There's guests on here from other forums let's try and be civil