European Super League

jamrock

Senior Member
The SL is bad idea but these changes that UEFA came up with for the CL and this new tournament is even worst, which explains why these teams are trying something else, UEFA/FIFA despite having the most popular sport in the world are pretty shit at organizating it in away that.

1) brings the most joyment to fans

2) maximizes returns for the clubs/countries.
 

serghei

Senior Member
The Champions League is not killing the domestic leagues, this is nonsense. Look at this place, this season has been cherished by a lot of people here and we were a non-factor in the CL. Guess what, having the chance to make a domestic double while playing nice football and bringing back the trust in La Masia is great on its own, and carrying a fight in 3 for the Spanish Champions title is amazing even without the CL.

We're not in the CL and we never were this season in most respects, and can't wait for the next game. This commercialistic frenzy with the CL is less real than people think it is. Speaking strictly from the fans' perspective.
 
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BBZ8800

Senior Member
I didn?t like this ESL thing to begin with. However I am not sure if I want to see the British government coming out in full force to kill a business operation/entity in the name of some other business operations and entities. Is this the role of a government in a free market, capitalistic society?

It's a free market and a democracy as long as it suits them.

Luft, have you never dealed with politicians/Ceo's?

Corrupted mafia everywhere.

Democracy doesn't apply there.
 

mc_lovin

Senior Member
This will not make clubs who were previously great great again. If anything it will make them less than they are now because now while they may no longer be European powerhouses they still are in their domestic leagues.

Within a few seasons teams like Juventus, Chelsea, Arsenal and any of the others are going to be mid table or bottom of the table in a league dominated by Real Madrid, Barca, Utd and City (because of their Arab money).

And the worldwide fans of those clubs are glory hunters. Within a few seasons those fans will lose interest and they will see their revenues plummet.

With the state Barca are in right now and then without Messi. Barca may even start very poorly and find themselves in that position with no global stars.

I'm an Everton supporter and when the big clubs in England wanted to split to form the Premier League Everton were one of the founding members who had won the league 9 times (I think 3rd highest) and in the mid 80s were one of the top teams in Europe. We were one of the so called Big 5. Unfortunately just as the premier league started Everton were going through transition and we've never recovered.

Besides I still don't know how these teams will be able to develop players if they can't loan them to other clubs so that means they will need to sign all their players from the UEFA pyramid which is going to cost a fortune and may even work out well for teams in the domestic leagues.

I'm not against it but the split needs to be absolute. Let's be honest. The champions league was killing the domestic leagues anyway.

Its not a real League (at least for now). More of a CL replacement. With knockouts and spending limitations, and more wealth in general, I dont think "bottom" teams like Arsenal cant have good runs and maybe even win it. Much more likely than the current CL or Premier League for them.
 

Yannik

Senior Member
If you would just update the CL, reduce it to 16 teams, make it an elite competition only, have a groups stage with better, more balanced teams, with play-offs, like East and West in the NBA, then quarters with seeding based on group ranking (1A-4B, 2A-3B, 3A-2B, 4A-1B), this would be the best of both worlds.

You'd have stacked groups (8 teams in each with great derbies in each round), you'd get rid of dumb draws, random idiotic rules (like no teams from the same country can play together before QF), and have great playoffs too.

Do something with the CL groups, because what happens there is nearly irrelevant.

I'd assume that what you want is a watered down version of the CL that eliminates the "irrelevant" clubs for entertainment purpose.
Eventually only the top 5 leagues will have access to it, which I dont think is the way to go. Ideally there should be ways to reverse the top 5 league dominance for a more diverse CL that will be interesting through the fact that the teams from elsewhere who participate are not statist, but actually decent teams. We had the likes Bucharest, Ajax, Celtic, Feyenoord, Red Star etc competing for CLs before inflation ruled them out of the business. If football can find a way away from oligarch hegemonies then the CL will automatically become interesting again simply because those teams pose a threat once more.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
I mean, can Barca, Real, or any big football club really, talk about integrity?

I love how some fans think they have moral high ground because of "history". History's not a free pass for clubs to act like thugs or cunts, which is basically what any big team's management is doing. They only care about "history" when they can market it in a certain way. If it gets in their way, they don't care about it that much. They love selling brand new jerseys that "pay hommage" to an older version of it. But when "history" means (for example) not having a brand on the shirt, they find a way around it. The whole "Unicef" sponsoring stint was just to prep the field for an actual shirt sponsor ("oooooh but it was Qatar foundation, it's an ONG!"). Beautifully cynical.

I also remember the whole circus around one of Bordeaux's young player (Valentin Vada, who turned out to be crap, but was a huge prospect back then): Bordeaux worked its way around FIFA's rules that prevented recruiting foreign kids under 16 by handing out a "job" to the player's father. Since the father had to move from Argentina to Bordeaux for the job, he brought his kid with him. "Oh, what's that you say Mr Vada? Your son wants to play football? My, we can certainly find him a spot in a small local team called Girondins de Bordeaux!". Sounds familiar ? Yeah, it should, Bordeaux was not the first to try to play that card. Anyways, when Bordeaux tried getting Valentin Vada a license, UEFA and FIFA said no because Bordeaux used a loop-hole. Took them a few years (during which Vada couldn't play any official game, he was only allowed to practice). In the meantime, Vada's agent explicitely said that several big teams (Barca and Chelsea, among a few others) called him to say "if your players comes to our city, we'll get him a license in no-time, don't worry". They were all very confident, because apparently all those rules didn't apply the same way depending on how important your team is (and probably on how much you can pay).

I'm just saying that to point out it's the same thing on different levels for a lot of teams all around the world. In that example, Bordeaux acted crookedly in the first place too. All in all, I don't really see how Barca fans should be allowed to lecture PSG fans, just because their team was created later than them. Just like it bugs me to see PSG pretending to take the high road after taking a dump on FFP for years.

The UNICEF lettering and logo on our jersey might as well be something the club did to prepare for a real sponsor but it is a fact that we have been donating 1.5m euros every year to UNICEF since 2006, IN ADDITION TO the work that Barca Foundation does.

This is something that I am immensely proud of. 1.5m a year might not be much but it still helps, also considering we actually had a huge loss last season and a profit of just a few millions the year before, that didn’t stop us from donating to UNICEF. What other clubs have done something like that regularly?
 

Adversus

New member
I didn?t like this ESL thing to begin with. However I am not sure if I want to see the British government coming out in full force to kill a business operation/entity in the name of some other business operations and entities. Is this the role of a government in a free market, capitalistic society?
They are acting like a cartel so I'm not surprised government is taking a look.
 

Porque

Senior Member
Justice for Ajax is born.

Let's stop protesting against the ESL and join Pep in protesting for Ajax to be in the Super League.
 

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