Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
You are mocking Barca for giving too little while not mocking those for giving less or nothing.
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You are mocking Barca for giving too little while not mocking those for giving less or nothing.
fergus90
Senior Member
It's not always about winning the competition outright though. After all there can only be one winner.
It's also about the experience of being there, watching your team with 60,000 other people and you knock out a 'bigger' team.
If you didn't win the tournament so what, you will always cherish those individual games. You think Leicester think there 16/17 campaign was a waste? Two years before they are playing Rotherham and then fast forward the CL anthem is ringing out whilst they play a QF against a European giant.
A promotion/relegation system would be better but to me the initial seeding should be based on their current league standings and not because they generate x amount of money in USA or China or whatever.
Jadentheman
Active member
The top rich owners will win either way. I feel like they knew this would happen and it was a test of reaction. Should have came out with the news right after the CL final and in the offseason if they wanted to blindside everyone.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
You are mocking Barca for giving too little while not mocking those for giving less or nothing.
Not to mention PSG fans (like Newcomer) taking a staunch stand against this movement.
Maybe should have shown the same staunchness when Qatar took over your club.
This is why I don't like morally grounded arguments. Basically no one has 0 dirty laundry and therefore the perfect leg to stand on. I understand the criticism of the ESL from the sporting perspective and don't like the founder status in any way, shape or form, but that's on sporting grounds, not moral grounds.
Yannik
Senior Member
FFP was the Plan B to originally having a salary cap in place. In 2009 Platini wanted to introduce the latter, had approval even of the relevant clubs, then walked up to the European comission and proposed this idea. He got it rejected however since he basically prepared his concept fuck all, then ditched the idea and introduced FFP. Quick example of how incompetent people in football have been over decades.
FCBfan22
Senior Member
Bayern out. This time it's a full arsed no...
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1384508948036870147
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1384508948036870147
Jadentheman
Active member
Yes having ti be a crusade against the rich and saying it's about the fans falls flat. Especially when you support oil clubs, billionaire sugar daddy clubs, etc and let them run rampant causing all kinds of damage. Especially when your organization allowed these BIG club get too BIG by allowing them to unethically poach talent or gain all the revenue. IF UEFA/FIFA cared so much they would have halted the Neymar transfer or incured severe penalties for that. FFP continues to be a joke.
Bulgroz
Senior Member
You are mocking Barca for giving too little while not mocking those for giving less or nothing.
I specifically said that almost every club is the same, hence the impossibility for basically every team in the world to claim moral high ground. Go back to my original post about it. Obviously I took Barca as an example, considering this is a Barca fan forum, where some people (not all of them, thank god) seem to live in a fantasy world where oil clubs are pure evil whereas Barca or Utd are saints because they have "hIsTorY". I also talked about my own team (who never was particularly virtuous, but probably turned even more cynical since it got boaught by a hedge fund). Other teams are bad too. Doesn't change the fact that overall, the Unicef shirt sponsorship was a pretty cynical thing to do imho. Not the worst thing ever done by a football club, but a good illustration of how "history" doesn't necessarily means much unless it can be marketed in a convenient way.
Yannik
Senior Member
Been a full arsed no for a while, think Rummenigge came out 5 times in 36h speaking about this already.
For now.
If this ESL goes ahead and it turns out be successful, Bayern and PSG will be begging to join. The only reason PSG is against it at the moment is down to the 2022 World Cup.
Would be fun if Madrid and the PL clubs would get all the blame.
Meanwhile Barcelona in the background who were in it just to survive the debt
fergus90
Senior Member
I'd accept a promotion/relegation system without founders where the top league is initially comprised of top 3/4 from England, Spain, Germany, Italy top 2 from France plus the winners of Eredivise, Portuguese league.
Then the second tier comprised of the winners some of the lower profile leagues and second place from Eredivisie etc.
They all basically got there on domestic merit. I cannot accept clubs like 10th placed Arsenal who are so useless they could fall into a barrel of tits and they'd still come out sucking their thumb still somehow be rewarded.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Cynical? Cynical my ass. Again, if Barca had used UNICEF purely to introduce shirt sponsorship and without ever donating money to them, or stopped donating money as soon as shirt sponsorship was introduced then you can rightfully call it cynical. Since when donating money to a charity like UNICEF year in and year out a cynical act?
I wasn’t trying to brag, as I am aware many clubs do charity work of some sorts. I came here to defend my club’s or any club’s good work when your showed your cynicism.
where does one find these barrels
Home of Barca Fans
