European Super League

[Morten]

A statement from Amazon on this matter is worth 0.00

Hey now, Bezos could buy all of these clubs with his pocket change if he wanted to.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

"Our members and fans reject a Super League," Bayern President Herbert Hainer said. "As Bayern, it is our wish and our aim that European clubs live the wonderful and emotional competition that is the Champions League, and develop it together with UEFA. Bayern says no to the Super League."

Bayern CEO Karl-Heinz Rummenigge added: "For Bayern, the Champions League is the best club competition in the world.”

Bayern says NO.

 

[Jadentheman]

https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/1384520633078493185

Breaking | UEFA are in talks with an investment fund to create a new Champions' League that would have a €4.5bn budget, which could rise to €7bn, according to RMC & Bloomberg.

Any way this ends up you all got played and there will be clown makeup on a lot of people's faces.

 

[Adversus]

Actually that's a pretty weak statement. They specifically didn't say they wanted to hold the clubs accountable but rather the shareholders accountable. It sounds like they are going to try and get the shareholders removed rather than kick the actual clubs out which I doubt it possible.

 

[Jenks]

Seems like the line of attack from the UK government will be to simply deny work permits to any foreign players that ESL clubs sign.

 

[messi2140]

Which is why the arguments about UEFA being just as bad is stupid.

UEFA pay forward a lot of solidarity money to smaller clubs around Europe. Something that will stop with this Super League. A closed format is not competitive, it is against the integrity of competition.

That's not to say UEFA isn't bad and doesn't have to change. They do. They have shit the bed which made this a possibility, but the whataboutism is embarrassing.

Florentino made one thing very clear last night. They don't give a damn about anyone else but themselves. The pandemic is not the reason Barca, Real Madrid and Juventus are struggling. Piss poor management and bad investments are.

These clubs won't die by 2024.

That said, the CL format should be changed, so should the revenue sharing and they should open up for more invention rather than sticking to their traditional ways.

On their site they also have solidarity payments up to 10 billion. And for the record I'm against the 15 clubs having a locked place as well.

My issue is people suddenly talking about that it will kill the league and small clubs , while that's has been happening in most leagues anyway (except for the PL I guess). And UEFA can't suddenly talk about caring for small clubs while they have been actively reducing the CL spots they get.

 

[Adversus]

Seems like the line of attack from the UK government will be to simply deny work permits to any foreign players that ESL clubs sign.

With Brexit that is now possible too. lol Brexit to the rescue.

 

[Yannik]

It's funny how 10 years ago Atletico wouldnt even have been invited to a Super League. Almost like football is a dynamic environment in which teams can quickly rise and fall based on their performance. Something the Super League wants to eliminate by protecting the "usual suspects" over competetive concepts.

 

[Adversus]

On their site they also have solidarity payments up to 10 billion. And for the record I'm against the 15 clubs having a locked place as well.

My issue is people suddenly talking about that it will kill the league and small clubs , while that's has been happening in most leagues anyway (except for the PL I guess). And UEFA can't suddenly talk about caring for small clubs while they have been actively reducing the CL spots they get.

Exactly the CL is a cancer to the domestic game as things stand.

 

[KingLeo10]

Then Florentino need to come forward and openly admit he believes football is a sport for the elites and that they are willing to let those clubs go bankrupt and die.

If they want to cover their debts they should think twice before spending 140m on a 29 year old Eden Hazard with one year left on his contract. Perhaps Barca should think twice before spending 130m on Griezmann and 160m on Coutinho.

The only thing pandemic exposed is how bad both clubs are structured where they keep borrowing money or pushing it down the road to keep funding huge transfers, agent fees and other crap that ultimately backfire.

This is the reality of football and how it's been for a long time now.

You either adapt or die.

In fact the last time Barca "stuck to their principles, honour and pride" R9 left to join Inter.

And the clubs mostly do so because that's what their fanbases in the modern era have been built on. You, me, and pretty much everyone else except for those Catalan supporters who probably don't care if Barca is only winning Supercopa every 5 years fielding La Masia only players.

Griezmann, Coutinho, and Hazard are just the big money splashes that didn't pan out. But CR7 more than did. Suarez and Neymar more than did. As did Bale.

Football has been a sport of elites since a long time and people had no problem with that status quo for so long. Including the fans here who feasted on trebles made possible by this economic disparity.

 

[xxxxxx]

Seems like the line of attack from the UK government will be to simply deny work permits to any foreign players that ESL clubs sign.

They can try, but it will get rejected. They legally can't stop people from working abroad.

 

[KingLeo10]

It's funny how 10 years ago Atletico wouldnt even have been invited to a Super League. Almost like football is a dynamic environment in which teams can quickly rise and fall based on their performance. Something the Super League wants to eliminate by protecting the "usual suspects" over competetive concepts.

Yes, such dynamic development is indeed possible in Spain. Unfortunately not in Germany.

 

[Newcomer]

This some kind of a joke? "We are sorry UEFA"?!

UEFA proposed a similar concept with fixed spots for elite clubs months ago, their version of the super league. Lite or not, it's not the direction Perez and other self-indulgent billionaires want to take, it's the direction football's moving into whether we like it or not. UEFA's cries are nothing but a display of displeasure they're not part of the future's most attractive football competition.

UEFA offers nothing for the fans and has the same principles in mind as the founders of the ESL, been obvious since forever.

Both proposition are terrible.

In my opinion, the 12 ESL clubs don't like UEFA proposition because of monetary reasons. Perez said they want quality over quantity. Don't be fooled to think i is about quality of games. What they want is to limit the quantity of clubs sharing the jackpot. This is what it is about. This is why there are in war now. UEFA have to many association member clubs and can't implement a 15+5 reform.

Otherwise, they are agreeing about everything.

And also, there is the very important point about gouvernance. ESL clubs can edict their own rules in their funny tournament. Reason why they don't even bother creating an independent body but are giving themselves all the ruling positions.

UEFA are salty because they are losing their golden goose.

Football being both a sport and an entertainment, i am forced to rally around UEFA. At least, you need to "qualify" even though they are trying hard to make sure no big club will be missing out. With ESL, you throw out the sport aspect, you don't need to qualify, you are given an irremovable position because of your brand power (full entertainment value). You can just laugh at Milan and Arsenal being founding members when they can't even qualify normally.

 

[Yannik]

Yes, such dynamic development is indeed possible in Spain. Unfortunately not in Germany.

Dortmund also 10 years ago.

 

[Newcomer]

And the clubs mostly do so because that's what their fanbases in the modern era have been built on. You, me, and pretty much everyone else except for those Catalan supporters who probably don't care if Barca is only winning Supercopa every 5 years fielding La Masia only players.

Griezmann, Coutinho, and Hazard are just the big money splashes that didn't pan out. But CR7 more than did. Suarez and Neymar more than did. As did Bale.

Football has been a sport of elites since a long time and people had no problem with that status quo for so long. Including the fans here who feasted on trebles made possible by this economic disparity.

This is very true.

Football success has almost always been built on big money moves but fans later on romanticize this success and their club.