European Super League

[serghei]

"Make no mistake" isn't really empirical or even anecdotal evidence. Not based on how WCs are marketed. Look at the ads for all of the previous WCs. Stardom is the driving force.

Yes, it is, because they had no reason to not use those stars, right?

 

[Adversus]

That's the kind of response you come up with when you've dug in on a stance and eliminate plausibility.

Are you telling me TV companies will market a WC without 80% of star players on the planet.

Yea of course they will. They won't pay as much for it but 90% of the people will still watch it. It's not like the players who will be there are going to be Sunday league players.

 

[KingLeo10]

It won't. The money should be given to the leagues and the leagues should evenly distribute it. The competition should be for pride and status alone. The problem with European football of any kind is it skews the domestic game.

If you believe the European competitions are more important and the domestic game doesn't really matter then frankly some sort of Super League is the answer.

Your stance at the moment is driven by the fact that Everton can't compete at the European level pretty much under any setup.

That's just an unfortunate consequence of how football progressed over the last century. No reversing that. But the proposal above distributes more money across leagues and to leagues outside the top 5. How you get to the top of your league to get in on this pie is Everton's problem.

 

[KingLeo10]

Yes, it is, because they had no reason to not use those stars, right?

You really came up with this interpretation, when the one that is begging to be made is that they wanted to emphasize their stars to market the product.

 

[serghei]

You really came up with this interpretation, when the one that is begging to be made is that they wanted to emphasize their stars to market the product.

Yes, and now they will use other stars that they have. It's a readjustment. They will still have stars like Mbappe, Neymar, Haaland. That's 3 of the best 5 players atm. As far as I know, quite a few elite stars are still with them.

It's not like they will be left with only Sevilla, Lille, and Sociedad. Bayern - PSG is the last year's CL final.

 

[KingLeo10]

Yes, and now they will use other stars that they have. It's a readjustment. They will still have stars like Mbappe, Neymar, Haaland. That's 3 of the best 5 players atm.

All three of whom want out of their current team (maybe except Neymar) to join a ESL team

 

[serghei]

All three of whom want out of their current team (maybe except Neymar) to join a ESL team

Maybe they will reconsider now .

Let's see how this develops. I say that if the clubs overplay their hand they will face consequences they aren't prepared to deal with. You clearly see it as FIFA/UEFA are at the mercy of the big clubs because they have the stars. Even though a good chunk of current stars play, for the moment, for teams outside of the Superleague.

The best outcome for these clubs is that UEFA cave and make changes to the CL format.

 

[soul24rage]

Your stance at the moment is driven by the fact that Everton can't compete at the European level pretty much under any setup.

That's just an unfortunate consequence of how football progressed over the last century. No reversing that. But the proposal above distributes more money across leagues and to leagues outside the top 5. How you get to the top of your league to get in on this pie is Everton's problem.

Agreed, prime example is West Ham and Leicester City this season. It's more difficult, but it's still possible.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Madrid comes to the rescue of the ESL Not sure if they have the jurisdiction to overpower UEFA and FIFA though

The Mercantile Court number 17 of Madrid has prohibited Uefa, Fifa and LaLiga from adopting any type of measure that limits the launch of the European Super League, according to El Pa?s . The judicial decision of a "very precautionary" nature has been taken after the request of the Super League that none of the regulatory bodies can take any action against the new competition.

https://www.palco23.com/competicion...efa-fifa-y-laliga-limitar-a-la-superliga.html

 

[Slevinn]

Am I the only one who thinks ?The Super League? is a really dumb name? Should?ve gone with something flashy or more arrogant like ?The Elite?.

 

[Adversus]

Nope, local fans with season tickets and fans who actually go to the stadium to watch the game live (most of who are locals) still matter a lot to these clubs as they bringing in a lot of revenue, they are considered part of the core business/interest of any club, big or small. Playing home games in a different location/overseas regularly will hurt them a lot and will also decrease their brand values in their domestic markets.

NFL is on a different model, they are more of a brand or a franchise than a locally affiliated sport team, they move around to find the city or place to bring in more money.

Don't kid yourself. If they are able to replace them then they don't want them. They only need them as long as they can't replace them and the end goal is to replace them.

What kind of model do you think they want to turn European football into? They are eliminating the relegation and qualification aspect, same as US sport and have been playing more and more friendlies and want to play actual games away from Europe. That's also what happened with the NFL before they eventually started moving league games away.

Lastly if it's more lucrative to move a team from Liverpool, a poor city to a major European or world city why wouldn't they do it.

 

[KingLeo10]

Maybe they will reconsider now .

Let's see how this develops. I say that if the clubs overplay their hand they will face consequences they aren't prepared to deal with. You clearly see it as FIFA/UEFA are at the mercy of the big clubs because they have the stars.

Yeah, will be interesting to see how it develops. Not everyday we get an experiment into football's power structure. I could very well be wrong. But I just think with the way stars and big clubs have aggregated power over the last 20 years, that UEFA/FIFA are sort of tied. Not that player power or club influence is the way forward, but just a consequence of how football progressed.

 

[malvolio]

Am I the only one who thinks ?The Super League? is a really dumb name? Should?ve gone with something flashy or more arrogant like ?The Elite?.

they'll spunk the cash on some promotion agency and they'll come up with something more marketable.

 

[Jadentheman]

Yea of course they will. They won't pay as much for it but 90% of the people will still watch it. It's not like the players who will be there are going to be Sunday league players.

People still watch the Basketball World Cup but not many as the Olympics because Olympics have the NBA superstars. It would be similar to that.

 

[Morten]

Madrid comes to the rescue of the ESL Not sure if they have the jurisdiction to overpower UEFA and FIFA though



https://www.palco23.com/competicion...efa-fifa-y-laliga-limitar-a-la-superliga.html

And this court can just overrule all others, is that so?