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If people here weren't such UK haters then there'd be different replies I'm sure. This race feels like it's the UCL final and you're 2-0 up, then the ref declares it's now golden goal and a penalty to the team that's losing. Can't be considered a sport if any advantage you gain throughout the race is wiped away by officials for something you didn't do.
Yes ... hearing Toto and Hamilton complaining before , during and after the race was hilarious !Congrats to Super Max !! well deserved!
Toto Wolff crying like a baby is tooooo funny/ridiculous, like a tantruming child.... "No Mikey, no no Mikey, that was so not right!"
They conveniently forgot the earlier incident where Hamilton went off the track , took a short cut and reappeared 50 metres ahead of Max ... and didn?t even give the place back !!!
El Gato
Villarato!
Can't be considered a sport if you gain an advantage after being allowed to keep spot on lap 1 after an illegal move and one for which your direct rival was penalised with a 5 sec pen just a week before either
But this can go on and on
Lewis had far less bad luck than Max did this season
He's entitled to feeling salty about but ironically he actually isn't and Max was way more vocal about being hard done. It's Lewis fans who are overdosing on NaCl
Also UK are as much continental Europe haters, which I imagine you know well enough
Hamilton is usually disliked more on manufactured personality and politics grounds than nationality
It'd probably help if he was Scottish though for sure
And Max is way more hounded, incl. by me, for being a natural knob
It evens out
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I agree start of the race incident was fishy, I just don't think it's the same level of incident as at the end. Seems like rules are selectively followed or not followed which culminated in Max being handed a victory. I don't even like Hamilton for what it's worth. Just mind boggled at how people can defend that at the end and not see it as a stain on the "sport". Same goes for any other thing that happens such as the lap 1 incident. The rules seem like they're a joke.
You're wrong about the UK being continental Europe haters. The haters voices are just louder and more impactful so people believe that's the case for most. Brexit voted for by roughly 1/4 of the population so is no indication.
Windhook
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It's not the issue of hating UK here. I'm sure lots of people root for British youngsters in the sport George Russell and Lando Norris (which I'm a fan of his jovial persona).
The issue is Mercedes domination without real competition for the past 6 years which made the sport boring, especially after they choose to replace Rosberg with a clown sidekick Bottas to give Hamilton the comfort of winning numerous championships. Of course I have to acknowledge a part of the hatred for Lewis is based on the color of his skin, his wicked fashion sense, the hair transplant, fake holy public persona and constant complaints on dangerous driving when he's made some notorious dirty moves himself.
The issue is Mercedes domination without real competition for the past 6 years which made the sport boring, especially after they choose to replace Rosberg with a clown sidekick Bottas to give Hamilton the comfort of winning numerous championships. Of course I have to acknowledge a part of the hatred for Lewis is based on the color of his skin, his wicked fashion sense, the hair transplant, fake holy public persona and constant complaints on dangerous driving when he's made some notorious dirty moves himself.
El Gato
Villarato!
[MENTION=21761]Rory[/MENTION]
Haters are always louder, no argument there
Though they do sway the people in the middle and many of them vote.
Population is a bit of an odd metric - dont know what it means in this case. Population as a whole including kids? Population eligible to vote? We both know UK is chuck full of migrants who cant vote and I have to confess I don't hear that line of defense very often. I know majority in the country really didn't want (or didn't think they'd occur) the negative effects of Brexit. I think it's just another symptom of the wicked year that was 2016 which is when everyone started waking up to the detriments of 'free' internet where conservatives can reach millions with easy slogans like "take our country back" etc.
Anyway - point was broader that folks on the continent don't really dislike Hamilton for nationality.
Like Windhook suggests, triggers likely come from elsewhere. He just helps it with quite a lot of virtue signalling on the lefty side of politics that folk get triggered by (I used to care more than I do now).
Sport was stained the moment they normalized something like Max pushing Lewis off track in Brazil and didn't acknowledge it was wrong.
It was to be expected they'd be doing what 'feels correct' from then on to make up for it.
And in the moment the decision to let cars pass at the end was correct, just needed to do it for all of them and make decision faster so Merc fans wouldn't moan too much.
If can't do it fast enough - red flag it
Masi was always gonna piss off either end of spectrum. Way Merc prepped for final laps banking on no SC was risky and in the end very very cowardly. You know full well the only thing that in that moment Merc engineers were mostly triggered by conflicting messaging rather than the final action taken. If Masi allowed all cars to pass early while ignoring safety and we still ended up with Max v Lewis in lap 58, Merc fans and garage would then be complaining Masi is putting marshals at risk just to give folk a show. All because they weren't prepared.
E: Also, that 2-0 or 10-0 lead + golden goal analogy which floated around is a bit bollocks dont you think? I mean, all it took was a safety car (hardly unexpected occurrence in F1) for them to start sweating which doesn't fill you with confidence their lead was that significant. A gap reset is commonplace so should have done better. Even Bottas himself said on the radio. Based on Lewis radio with Bono they made a decision with SC announced within 2-3 turns to pit entry and they told him they didn't want him to lose track position. Just bricked it there and then
And hey, in the end, can't help and do anything to begrudge Max winning.
His season was trophy worthy and don't think he'll be reminded on the daily that he's some fraud because of decisions. Only dumbasses will go out their way to do that next year.
Haters are always louder, no argument there
Though they do sway the people in the middle and many of them vote.
Population is a bit of an odd metric - dont know what it means in this case. Population as a whole including kids? Population eligible to vote? We both know UK is chuck full of migrants who cant vote and I have to confess I don't hear that line of defense very often. I know majority in the country really didn't want (or didn't think they'd occur) the negative effects of Brexit. I think it's just another symptom of the wicked year that was 2016 which is when everyone started waking up to the detriments of 'free' internet where conservatives can reach millions with easy slogans like "take our country back" etc.
Anyway - point was broader that folks on the continent don't really dislike Hamilton for nationality.
Like Windhook suggests, triggers likely come from elsewhere. He just helps it with quite a lot of virtue signalling on the lefty side of politics that folk get triggered by (I used to care more than I do now).
Sport was stained the moment they normalized something like Max pushing Lewis off track in Brazil and didn't acknowledge it was wrong.
It was to be expected they'd be doing what 'feels correct' from then on to make up for it.
And in the moment the decision to let cars pass at the end was correct, just needed to do it for all of them and make decision faster so Merc fans wouldn't moan too much.
If can't do it fast enough - red flag it
Masi was always gonna piss off either end of spectrum. Way Merc prepped for final laps banking on no SC was risky and in the end very very cowardly. You know full well the only thing that in that moment Merc engineers were mostly triggered by conflicting messaging rather than the final action taken. If Masi allowed all cars to pass early while ignoring safety and we still ended up with Max v Lewis in lap 58, Merc fans and garage would then be complaining Masi is putting marshals at risk just to give folk a show. All because they weren't prepared.
E: Also, that 2-0 or 10-0 lead + golden goal analogy which floated around is a bit bollocks dont you think? I mean, all it took was a safety car (hardly unexpected occurrence in F1) for them to start sweating which doesn't fill you with confidence their lead was that significant. A gap reset is commonplace so should have done better. Even Bottas himself said on the radio. Based on Lewis radio with Bono they made a decision with SC announced within 2-3 turns to pit entry and they told him they didn't want him to lose track position. Just bricked it there and then
And hey, in the end, can't help and do anything to begrudge Max winning.
His season was trophy worthy and don't think he'll be reminded on the daily that he's some fraud because of decisions. Only dumbasses will go out their way to do that next year.
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Yeah that was a poor metric
, I should have used the one that makes sense which was roughly 35% of voting aged people voted for Brexit. Even then Brexit voted on for lots of reasons, admittedly many for xenophobic ones. I'm assuming the idea the UK hates Europe comes from brexit, if not then I don't know where else it would come from except maybe personal experiences from yourself/friends/family. I think the average man in the UK thinks europe is "full of fit women and cheap drinks" and the average woman thinks europe is "full of fit men and cheap drinks". I can't stand Hamilton's virtue signalling and Max is absolutely a worthy winner this year, I just hate the idea of a sport world championship being decided by something like this, for the sake of sport as a concept. The golden goal analogy may be over the top but just trying to wrap my head around what it would be like in football for officials to do this. Maybe last minute bs penalty awarded to bring the match level
?Merc fucked tactics up but then I also think how much was that the case if they had a 10+ second lead with the championship in the bag. Only thing that would stop Hamilton getting the win is what happened/Hamilton crashing out, so I'm not so much on the bandwagon Merc completely fucked him up.
Messigician
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Football guys I got you, CL FINAL: Hamilton managing City is beating Max managing Burnley 32-0. 85th min Ronaldo streaked the pitch screaming SIUU, match gets restarted at 0-0. Max subs Messi on and scores for him in the 90th min to win the final
Windhook
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Sebastian Vettel and Carlos Sainz said it very clear. Cars had to unlap according to 48.12 regulation at the very beginning of the safety car, which could and was overruled by 48.13 by Masi. I guess they were thinking the race would end under safety car. A lap later he came to the reasonable conclusion that all 5 cars between Max and Lewis were blocking the race itself, because with restart they had to be blue flagged by the rest of the grid immediately, which would have created a chaos on the track. Anyway Max with fresh soft tyres, under immediate blue flag for those 5 cars, would have overtaken Hamilton in the next corner.
The controversy is why FIA let only 5 cars to unlap and join the back of the grid meanwhile leaving the rest of them to catch Max and Hamilton. Probably due to the late reverse decision with just 2 laps to go.
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