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JamDav1982

Senior Member
Firing someone is totally different to paying them off actually.

You made the opposite view and said B team shit and youth teams not working and now make big case when they try to change things. Works both ways.

Terms like 'loyalty' etc have nothing to do with it and is probably the reason they ended up with a poor overall squad in first place.

Still the best individuals will come through.
 
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Flavia

Guest
This is a stupid tautology at best. There's but a philosophical difference between saying the club are 'paying off their contracts' and saying that they're firing them with a nice severance package.



It's not just timing, it's the manner of these decisions and, in some cases, the decisions themselves. The likes of Bagnack were dead weight and Babunski probably doesn't have a future at this club but it's just downright unprofessional and unethical to rescind a contract like that out of nowhere.

Releasing Aitor?? The top scorer? Suarez? The keeper who has bailed this team on several occasions and then counted on the club during his injury? And then there's Grimaldo who had his contract ran down despite being the best performer in the team over the past year. These aren't cases of sacrificing ethics for the best interests of the B team. One doesn't improve the squad's results by getting rid of the best players to make room for below average ones. One doesn't send out a positive message about the good will of this club by releasing the youth players that dedicated themselves to Barcelona for random no-name signings.

You made a huge case about there not being any real mismanagement of the B team or youth system in recent years and that the Segunda division was difficult to stay in as is. And now we're here about 7 months after the fact with a poor coach, uninspiring signings, and a string of disappointing results in a lower division. And now the club's response is to let go of some of our best players for unconvincing ones? And by doing so, worsening our image and probably the position of our already struggling B team?

I wouldn't bother too much arguing with the resident board apologist, DonAspas.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
I wouldn't bother too much arguing with the resident board apologist, DonAspas.

Said they made a mistake by not getting better squad in summer.

Nice try though.

But you join the band of the horrified that players that don't seem good enough are being let go.
 
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Flavia

Guest
Said they made a mistake by not getting better squad in summer.

Nice try though.

But you join the band of the horrified that players that don't seem good enough are being let go.

There was a ban in the summer. Aitor is the current b top scorer, played well on his debut, by no means he doesn't seem good enough. And he was let go for robert gonçalves. Not to mention Jose suarez's case. Yep, keep making excuses. Everybody here knows you for that already ;)
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
There was a ban in the summer. Aitor is the current b top scorer, played well on his debut, by no means he doesn't seem good enough. And he was let go for robert gonçalves. Not to mention Jose suarez's case. Yep, keep making excuses. Everybody here knows you for that already ;)

The reality is you nor I have any idea if Aitor is good enough. He looked OK on debut.

Suddenly a player with no comments in his thread is being rated higher than anyone has any clue about or indeed lower by me.

Call me an apologist all you like. Doesn't bother me if you think that at all but keep repeating g if makes you happy.
 

Topolino

Gemusesuppe
I mean, if someone shows lack of ambition, skill or anything that's needed to be succsesful at their job, they ought to be fired...

Just because they're footballers doesn't mean they should be kept on the job to do nothing.
 

Gnidrologist

Senior Member
Said they made a mistake by not getting better squad in summer.
Are they making the squad better now? What are all those better signings that current players are sacrificed for? Aitor looked great in his first team debut. Immense work ethic and fine technique. Would be Lucho's favorite youth player if not for already overloaded youth pool. If he's also a top scorer in B then how is removing him making team better? On the other side there's this Gonsalves guy, who looks Douglas level and couldn't get his shit together to get in shape to even play yet. What are those other great signings that are supposed to improve the team.
If anything, this all looks like another money laundering/nepotism scheme for someone to get bribes. Unless there are some world class talent going in that we're unaware. Fat brazilian nobody for Aitor doesn't seem one of them.
In before Samper gets the boot.
 

yahudi

New member
They are not being fired they are being offered packages to pay off their contracts early.

...which is pretty much the definition of being fired as a professional footballer. If the club unilaterally terminates a contract of a player or coach, it pays a compensation fee. Unless the contract was terminated by mutual consent (aka the Mourinho exit)

Biggest mistake was probably not doing some of this in summer as going by results that squad is not good enough.

With the transfer ban in place and no incoming players available, it was impossible to rescind many contracts at once in summer. Only now with the arrival of several reinforcements, the squad can be restructured.

All that beind said, Barca B is taking yet another huge risk. Replacing half of the squad in January with no time for adaptation can backfire even worse than Eusebio's gamble last season. If this restructuring goes wrong, Barca will lose at least two years worth of talented graduates.

It's not just timing, it's the manner of these decisions and, in some cases, the decisions themselves. The likes of Bagnack were dead weight and Babunski probably doesn't have a future at this club but it's just downright unprofessional and unethical to rescind a contract like that out of nowhere.

Releasing Aitor?? The top scorer? Suarez? The keeper who has bailed this team on several occasions and then counted on the club during his injury? And then there's Grimaldo who had his contract ran down despite being the best performer in the team over the past year. These aren't cases of sacrificing ethics for the best interests of the B team. One doesn't improve the squad's results by getting rid of the best players to make room for below average ones. One doesn't send out a positive message about the good will of this club by releasing the youth players that dedicated themselves to Barcelona for random no-name signings.

You made a huge case about there not being any real mismanagement of the B team or youth system in recent years and that the Segunda division was difficult to stay in as is. And now we're here about 7 months after the fact with a poor coach, uninspiring signings, and a string of disappointing results in a lower division. And now the club's response is to let go of some of our best players for unconvincing ones? And by doing so, worsening our image and probably the position of our already struggling B team?

The way Bagnack's case was handled is mind-boggling. Just read that Gerard didn't even let him take part in training anymore. It only makes sense that Macky would try to fight the contract termination (even ethough he knows himself that he probably has no future in Barcelona).

Cancelling Suarez in the middle of a month-long recorvery is outright distasteful. He is already left out of the squad registration to make space for new arrivals, surely it would not hurt Barca too much if he could stay at least until the end of the season to finish his recovery.

Don't understand releasing Aitor either. While he is certainly not the most exciting talent to emerge from Masia, he still delivered decent results for the B team. Maybe there was something else about him that Gerard did not like, but to me there are several other players torelease before Aitor.

The Grimaldo case is unfortunate but it's difficult to blame somebody here. After playing B team for about 4 years, he understandably wanted more. At the same time, he is still not at the level of being a Barca A player. If the Levante loan had worked out, it probably would've been the best for both sides beause I honestly don't see him breaking into Benfica's starting eleven yet.

The general idea of this winter mercato is not wrong, though. The B team was in dire need of more experience and stability, even if the newcomers are not as exciting or talented as some Masia pearls. Hopefully the new mixture will be enough to keep Barca B in the league and provide a basis for the inevitable next summer overhaul.



Side rant: I've always been wondering why Barcelona wouldn't strike a partnership with a midtable club in Portugal or France. The partner club could profit from Barcelona's ressources and know-how by getting a number of players and coaching/management staff for free, similar to the Granada-Udinese exchange. Barca could send players caught between B and A teams (Grimaldo, Samper, Halilovic, Adama etc.) to have a top leagure experience in an environment somewhat similar to Catalunya.

Side rant²: Also it could've been pretty helpful to implement the Midtjylland approach of using statistics for game analysis and scouting for Barca B.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Are they making the squad better now? What are all those better signings that current players are sacrificed for? Aitor looked great in his first team debut. Immense work ethic and fine technique. Would be Lucho's favorite youth player if not for already overloaded youth pool. If he's also a top scorer in B then how is removing him making team better? On the other side there's this Gonsalves guy, who looks Douglas level and couldn't get his shit together to get in shape to even play yet. What are those other great signings that are supposed to improve the team.
If anything, this all looks like another money laundering/nepotism scheme for someone to get bribes. Unless there are some world class talent going in that we're unaware. Fat brazilian nobody for Aitor doesn't seem one of them.
In before Samper gets the boot.

No idea if they are making squad better but they believe they are.

No one is being 'sacrificed' they are being let go presumably as not seen as good enough and better players can come in to keep team up.

To try and make out this is anything like 'money laundering' is ludicrous guessing with no foundation whatsoever.

You will fit right in with those claims though don't worry.
 

MessiDinho10

New member
Wow. I can live with some players living, but Jose Suarez? He's bailed the team out multiple times and unluckily suffered aj ACL injury. Rescinding his contract makes us nothing better than Newcastle United, who rescinded the contract of Gutierrez while he was recovering from cancer (although they offered him a new contract later that season). That is a dick move.

I thought Barça was more than a club, looks like I'm wrong.
 

Gnidrologist

Senior Member
No idea if they are making squad better but they believe they are.

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To try and make out this is anything like 'money laundering' is ludicrous guessing with no foundation whatsoever.
That they genuinely believe they're making squad better is also claim without foundation, but okay, let's leave this until more information about those new signings come to light.
 
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Flavia

Guest
Josep Capdevila with an interesting rant on his twitter. He's a catalan journalist, has been following and covering Barça for a long time.

"We can all make mistakes. But it's really, really difficult to do things so badly like they're beind done at Barça B. Many years of hard work down the drain. And what is worse, it's being done in a very unethical way. How can you understand the planning done if they fired 2 players LE counted on?"
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Josep Capdevila with an interesting rant on his twitter. He's a catalan journalist, has been following and covering Barça for a long time.

"We can all make mistakes. But it's really, really difficult to do things so badly like they're beind done at Barça B. Many years of hard work down the drain. And what is worse, it's being done in a very unethical way. How can you understand the planning done if they fired 2 players LE counted on?"

If they got rid of two players Lucho wanted at club then that's an issue. Can't see it being the case though.

The drop in standard has been down to too much reliance on young La Masia players and too many chances given if anything.
 

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