Financial Fair Play (News, debates, opinions, Platini, etc.)

[Jair Ventura]

Chinese just bought FC Sochaux too!

I think one of FC Paris or Red Star FC have also found investors from Asia. I'll see if I can find the story.

 

[Jair Ventura]

Why did no one invest before the FFP rules were introduced if that is the case?

La Liga is not all that attractive for huge investment. If it was they would have been there long ago.

I guess you missed the upward trajectory of football money. No one else did, hence the EPL just signed a TV deal trumped only by that of the NFL's.

I.e. Investors find football clubs more valuable assets than in decades/years past.

 

[Jombi]

Why did no one invest before the FFP rules were introduced if that is the case?

La Liga is not all that attractive for huge investment. If it was they would have been there long ago.

There wasnt such a big market opportunity "long ago". The football game has been totally globalized in the last few years and wealthy businessmen from the far East, the Gulf, and Russia have emerged only in the last few years.

 

[JamDav1982]

You can find the value of the new TV deals through Google. You can also Google all the French clubs that are opening or renovating new stadiums(almost half), and any potential investors interested purchasing clubs(Bordeaux). Why do you think Lacazette and Fekir have yet to be sold? Or Martial, Silva, Carrasco, or Kondogbia from Monaco?

PSG has been awesome for French football from a financial standpoint.

Lyon will sell all their best players as will any French team bar PSG and Monaco, that wont change.

The French League will not at any time soon be competitive or of any great standard in my opinion.

Long term one super rich/succesful team doesnt bring a league up.

Look at league here in Scotland, pretty much been utter shit since Rangers started spending big on back of huge investment at time. Followed by Celtic.

Everyone said all the things you guys are about better players, more tv money etc.

 

[JamDav1982]

There wasnt such a big market opportunity "long ago". The football game has been totally globalized in the last few years and wealthy businessmen from the far East, the Gulf, and Russia have emerged only in the last few years.

Why were no billionaire investors investing in La Liga teams then?

They were investing in Russian, French, English (in bug numbers) etc where it was possible.

Why not Spain? Bar big two obviously.

Foorball has not become hugely global in the years since FFP introduced, it was before.

 

[Jair Ventura]

Lyon will sell all their best players as will any French team bar PSG and Monaco, that wont change.

Your opinion on the matter really isn't relevant. They haven't sold, they have no intention to sell, and they don't have to sell in the midst of a new/increased TV money, a new stadium, and UCL football. If and when they do sell, PSG will be all over them, throwing around more money than anyone in Europe, funneling money back into the French leagues. Everyone in France wins.

The French League will not at any time soon be competitive or of any great standard in my opinion.

Again, no one asked your opinion of the French league. Whatever your feelings, the league is penning lucrative/competitive TV deals, attracting new investors/sponsors, and are beating up on EPL teams all the while(Chelsea, Arsenal).

You asked how PSG has helped its peer clubs, I'm pointing that out.

Long term one super rich/succesful team doesnt bring a league up.

.... Isn't that why we're discussing FFP/potential investors?

Look at league here in Scotland, pretty much been utter shit since Rangers started spending big on back of huge investment at time. Followed by Celtic.

Everyone said all the things you guys are about better players, more tv money etc.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

 

[JamDav1982]

If you are right Juvens then Lyon wont have a steady stream of their best players leaving.

You seem to base so much on this TV deal which from what I can see has increased by 120m Euros from 2016. An average of around 6m a year per club. Not a huge amount.

Lets not go over the top about how good that deal is.

 

[KingMessi]

Why were no billionaire investors investing in La Liga teams then?

They were investing in Russian, French, English (in bug numbers) etc where it was possible.

Why not Spain? Bar big two obviously.

Foorball has not become hugely global in the years since FFP introduced, it was before.

Malaga was a bust because the owner lost interest. Also, Peter Lim with Valencia?

 

[JamDav1982]

Malaga was a bust because the owner lost interest. Also, Peter Lim with Valencia?

We are talking about billionaires coming in to plough hundreds of millions into clubs.

 

[KingMessi]

We are talking about billionaires coming in to plough hundreds of millions into clubs.

Lim is a billionaire though.

And Malaga's owner is Qatari royalty.

 

[JamDav1982]

Lim is a billionaire though.

Yes he is and he has invested during FFP which was my point.

There were no billionaires ready to come in and invest hundreds of millions previously as Spain not as attractive a place to do that.

 

[KingMessi]

Yes he is and he has invested during FFP which was my point.

There were no billionaires ready to come in and invest hundreds of millions previously as Spain not as attractive a place to do that.

Oh okay. My issue was coming into the discussion without having read the previous posts.

 

[Bertus]

If you are right Juvens then Lyon wont have a steady stream of their best players leaving.

You seem to base so much on this TV deal which from what I can see has increased by 120m Euros from 2016. An average of around 6m a year per club. Not a huge amount.

Lets not go over the top about how good that deal is.

That isn't only TV deal. French clubs also needed to sell because they are not allowed to have big debts like English and spanish clubs in their own leagues.

Yeah you read it right. In France, no club is allowed to have 500 millions of debts.

That said, as Juvens said, nowadays clubs like Lyon have no obligation to sell unless they get very big offers.

Sure if somebody offers 50-60M to buy Lacazette, Lyon might sell, but in other leagues, they might accept to sell him too for that price.

The L1 is a sane league with no big debts compared to English and Spanish clubs.

 

[JamDav1982]

That isn't only TV deal. French clubs also needed to sell because they are not allowed to have big debts like English and spanish clubs in their own leagues.

Yeah you read it right. In France, no club is allowed to have 100 millions of debts.

That said, as Juvens said, nowadays clubs like Lyon have no obligation to sell unless they get very big offer.

Sure if somebody offer 50-60M to but Lacazette, Lyon might sell, but in other leagues, they might accept to sell him too for that price.

The L1 is sane league with no big debts compared to English and Spanish clubs.

English and Spanish teams are both subject to rules about debt and are told how much they can spend each season.

When did this rule about debt come into play in France?

Saying they are selling players as to not go above 100m debt tells its own story, these clubs are not in a good situation.

No SPL clubs have the debt of England/Spain either but those leagues are much stronger financially going forward.

 

[Jair Ventura]

If you are right Juvens then Lyon wont have a steady stream of their best players leaving.

You seem to base so much on this TV deal which from what I can see has increased by 120m Euros from 2016. An average of around 6m a year per club. Not a huge amount.

Lets not go over the top about how good that deal is.

You see only what is directly in front of you, so I'll explain. The deal places the value of French TV rights in the same tier as the Spanish and Italian leagues, just above the Bundesliga. The primary owners of Ligue 1's broadcasting rights are Canal + and Beinsports, with the former owning tier 1 rights as the latter was focused on successfully securing rights to the UCL . Now, Bein is a subsidiary of Al Jeezera, also owned by Qatar, and is growing like wildfire, particularly in the Americas, North Africa, and west Asia. Remember that QSI purchased PSG in 2011, and negotiations for the rights of Ligue 1 took place in 2014, where they pushed the bid to nearly $1b.

Now, if Aljezeera/Bein were willing and able to push Canal + to bid nearly 1b just for the rights to the tier 1 Ligue 1 package in 2014, never mind what they spent to broadcast the UCL, Europa, La Liga, Serie A, etc; given the upward trajectory of both the league and football money in general(I point to the precedent set by the EPL), how much do you suppose they'll be willing to bid next time they come to the table?