Financial Fair Play (News, debates, opinions, Platini, etc.)

[Bertus]

It doesnt stop there though. The clubs who do want it can threaten to break away from UEFA or set up their own competitions.

The clubs that want it tend to be the biggest clubs with most power.

That doesn't change the fact the FFP can be broken in half in a tribunal right now.

I know it well because since PSG is under FFP, we get regular updates on the filled complaints against UEFA. You can find updates on a regular basis on: http://canal-supporters.com

Whatever big clubs want, if the a court decides the FFP is illegal or goes against investors rights, UEFA can't do anything.

That's why platini tries to amend it a bit in hope the filled complaints will stop.

One of the lawyer that brought UEFA to court said he will probably meet up with Platini next month. And if what Platini proposes is good enough, he will stop his complaints. You can find the news on the site i linked above

 

[JamDav1982]

Why would most clubs want FFP? Leagues need foreign investors if they want to bring in stars and compete. The Italian league is dying with no outside investors willing to spend big money and big names like AC Milan and Inter are just a shadow of their former selves. If the leagues continue to deny foreign investors the chance to attract stars to their league, they will suffer in the end, and players will end up in England instead.

Clubs can still bring in foreign owners under FFP just look at what difference it has made to Valencia.

The majority of clubs dont want it as they dont have those foreign owners.

 

[JamDav1982]

That doesn't change the fact the FFP can be broken in half in a tribunal right now.

I know it well because since PSG is under FFP, we get regular updates on the filled complaints against UEFA. You can find updates on a regular basis on: http://canal-supporters.com

Whatever big clubs want, if the a court decides the FFP is illegal or goes against investors rights, UEFA can't do anything.

That's why platini tries to amend it a bit in hope the filled complaints will stop.

One of the lawyer that brought UEFA to court said he will probably meet up with Platini next month. And if what Platini proposes is good enough, he will stop his complaints. You can find the news on the site i linked above

If UEFA have no power why do theses complaints not just seek to rid FFP completely?

I cant see a scenario where FFP is relaxed enough to allow huge investment from owners to the detriment of the vast majority of other clubs.

We shall see what happens though.

 

[Jombi]

Clubs can still bring in foreign owners under FFP just look at what difference it has made to Valencia.

The majority of clubs dont want it as they dont have those foreign owners.

Look at the situation with Malaga. Malaga could have been the new City now if it was not for FFP.

 

[Jombi]

Other clubs who dont have outside investors will benefit greatly by playing in a league with more stars and publicity as they can demand bigger commercial deals and TV deals.

 

[JamDav1982]

Look at the situation with Malaga. Malaga could have been the new City now if it was not for FFP.

Malaga were never getting the type of investment that City did and the biggest reason the money was pulled was not FFP but the fact the local govt turned down application to build marina in Marbella.

 

[Bertus]

If UEFA have no power why do theses complaints not just seek to rid FFP completely?

I cant see a scenario where FFP is relaxed enough to allow huge investment from owners to the detriment of the vast majority of other clubs.

We shall see what happens though.

It is well know Platini made the FFP without taking in account that it was illegal in regards of the law.

Note that he even threatened the clubs that would fill complaints, that they will automatically be excluded from the European competitions if they do it.

We know that from Nasser himself when he explained why he can't publicly support the complaints against UEFA.

Those complaints are mainly filled by little clubs, lawyers themselves that defend investors rights in Europe and in France, and from Fans associations who think FFP hurts their clubs by illegally restraining their right to invest money.

Those lawyers are the same that were part of the Bosman's case btw.

 

[JamDav1982]

Other clubs who dont have outside investors will benefit greatly by playing in a league with more stars and publicity as they can demand bigger commercial deals and TV deals.

Like teams in Spain have by playing in same league as the two biggest clubs in world with most stars?

Even allowing for a more balances TV deal that will come these teams will not be rich.

 

[JamDav1982]

It is well know Platini made the FFP without taking in account that it was illegal in regards of the law.

Note that he even threatened the clubs that would fill complaints, that they will automatically be excluded from the European competitions if they do it.

We know that from Nasser himself when he explained why he can't publicly support the complaints against UEFA.

Those complaints are mainly filled by little clubs, lawyers themselves that defend investors rights in Europe and in France, and from Fans associations who think FFP hurts their clubs by illegally restraining their right to invest money.

Again, why dont they seek to stop FFP completely.

Why cant UEFA decide who play in their competitions?

The rules have never been legally binding in individual countries, clubs can spend as much as they want and not break any laws but is it ilegal for UEFA to decide who plays in their competitions?

 

[Bertus]

Other clubs who dont have outside investors will benefit greatly by playing in a league with more stars and publicity as they can demand bigger commercial deals and TV deals.

The L1 benefits greatly from PSG. The league got more money from TV deals, commercials deals etc.

 

[Bertus]

Again, why dont they seek to stop FFP completely.

Why cant UEFA decide who play in their competitions?

The rules have never been legally binding in individual countries, clubs can spend as much as they want and not break any laws but is it ilegal for UEFA to decide who plays in their competitions?

They do. But they are open to discuss it with Platini if Platini wants to avoid going to court. Mostly because clubs like PSG could be more "free" this summer instead of waiting one more year.

They argue it isn't to UEFA to decide what can a club spend on the transfer market for example. They also attack UEFA on the FFP sanctions, like fines against PSG and City.

Whatever you think, if Platini was so sure to be safe, he would not try all he can right now to avoid those commplaints to get resolved in a tribunal.

Gonna stop here, it's getting late, and we're running in circle. Provided the infos, gave you links. If you want to believe the current FFP is safe, it's fine by me.

 

[Jombi]

Like teams in Spain have by playing in same league as the two biggest clubs in world with most stars?

Even allowing for a more balances TV deal that will come these teams will not be rich.

Atletico and Valencia have definitely benefited from this, yes. Lets also remember that Atletico and Valencia will lose TV money in a more balanced deal, its not only Barca and RM that loses.

Of course, the Italian league has a very balanced TV deal and that causes no team to truly being able to attract the biggest stars, and everyone suffers. If La Liga manages to get a couple of big investors, it will have a great effect on revenues of other teams in the league.

 

[JamDav1982]

The L1 benefits greatly from PSG. The league got more money from TV deals, commercials deals etc.

How many teams in Spain, Germany and France outwith Barca, Real, PSG and Bayern can even keep their own players or compete for league?

Barely any.

So what is the great advantage to them?

 

[Jombi]

How many teams in Spain, Germany and France outwith Barca, Real, PSG and Bayern can even keep their own players or compete for league?

Barely any.

So what is the great advantage to them?

These clubs are thinking short term only. If not a single club in their league is able to keep their best players, then all clubs will suffer in terms of revenue as the league is less attractive. But sure, everyone is more equally poor so it is "fairer".

 

[JamDav1982]

Atletico and Valencia have definitely benefited from this, yes. Lets also remember that Atletico and Valencia will lose TV money in a more balanced deal, its not only Barca and RM that loses.

Of course, the Italian league has a very balanced TV deal and that causes no team to truly being able to attract the biggest stars, and everyone suffers. If La Liga manages to get a couple of big investors, it will have a great effect on revenues.

Both Atletico and Valencia will get more money through next tv deal.

Thats a seperate issue anyway and both have investors who will make a big difference to their futures. Within the current rules.

Both Atletico and Valencia have turned themselves around WITHIN FFP rules.