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DennyCrane said:
Let's not fool ourselves here though, because the actual reason he's put above the others in that team is because of his flair. His play is easy on the eye and technically he's the most gifted in this squad. A guy like Mandzukic, whose tactical understanding of the game is greatly underrated, is on a superficial level of observation merely the guy who scores some but can't keep his elbow holstered. On the superficial level, Martinez is a destroyer and Müller is a hard worker with excellent runs and positioning.
Rib shines brighter than all of them. And that's why he's considered the best.
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The reason why he's much more talked about as a UEFA/FBD candidate than other Bayern players is that he's whom Bayern chose to support and campaign for, though. Not to mention his own 'propaganda'. Before Bayern did that, the question about who's their 'best' player was much more open if you take the press as an indicator. The fact that Schwein was named Bundesliga Player of the Year says a lot.

Ribery's UEFA best player award has blown his dominance way out of proportion though - since the FBD has a final shortlist of 20 players, and not 3 like the UEFA award, he is sure to lose some votes to Schwein, Müller and perhaps Lahm, maybe even Lewandowski given his great result at the UEFA award. The only votes Ribery will definitely get will be the three French ones and one from Lahm, although he might vote for Schweini as well and will, as always, surely include Messi on his list.


If he was clever he'd stop praising and campaining for himself so much and start being a bit more humble. All this talk about FBD when he's not even nominated yet will not be received well.
 
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Luftstalag14

Luftstalag14

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DennyCrane said:
He's incredibly polyvalent, he can do almost anything in his position. He can cross from deep positions with good precision, run to the byline, dribble inwards or diagonally, beat defenders and take the shot, he can provide assists, he has a creative spark, he can dictate the pace of the attacking play and he has playmaking abilities. Plus, his defensive work is nothing short of admirable. In short, he's a constant menace on that flank and while at it, he's completely unpredictable. Much unlike Robben for example.
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I think Ribery is mostly good at dribbling near the byline where there is usually just one player to beat, and he is indeed providing a lot of crosses and passes with great precision from there, hence his many assists. I disagree that he dictates the pace of their attacking play, that's usually done by Schweini or Kroos. Also I don't think he is known for his playmaking abilities, he almost never provides any through passes or lobs (like the one Robben gave Götze yesterday which enabled the latter to score the 5th goal). To me he is simply a powerful RW who has a lot of agility.
 
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Luftstalag14 said:
I think Ribery is mostly good at dribbling near the byline where there is usually just one player to beat, and he is indeed providing a lot of crosses and passes with great precision from there, hence his many assists. I disagree that he dictates the pace of their attacking play, that's usually done by Schweini or Kroos. Also I don't think he is known for his playmaking abilities, he almost never provides any through passes or lobs (like the one Robben gave Götze yesterday which enabled the latter to score the 5th goal). To me he is simply a powerful RW who has a lot of agility.
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Of course Schweinsteiger and Kroos are better playmakers, that's a no brainer really. But Rib has the understanding of the game, intelligence and vision required to potentially be one too, which is a part of what contributes to make a player more 'complete'. On top of that, he had the most assists and key passes per game in the last Buli season.

Edit: I almost cracked up when I just read on whoscored stats analysis that they list Riberys' defensive contribution as a weakness. lolz
 
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Luftstalag14

Luftstalag14

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DennyCrane said:
Of course Schweinsteiger and Kroos are better playmakers, that's a no brainer really. But Rib has the understanding of the game, intelligence and vision required to potentially be one too, which is a part of what contributes to make a player more 'complete'. On top of that, he had the most assists and key passes per game in the last Buli season.

Edit: I almost cracked up when I just read on whoscored stats analysis that they list Riberys' defensive contribution as a weakness. lolz
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Is there such a list that I can take a look at?

By the way, "key pass" is defined as what? I have always wanted to ask.
 
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Luftstalag14 said:
Thanks!

But isn't "key pass" the same as "assist" if we go by that definition?
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Well, when that pass turns to a goal then it's an assist, yes.

EDIT: As for the question who's got the most key passes last season; Rakitic did with 2,9 per game.

Barcelona don't really shoot a lot from distance nor do they play direct so it's hard to get lots of key passes in Barca.

Fabregas had the most key passes in Barca with just 1,6 per game.
However, if you look at accurate through balls per game, it's Fabregas and Iniesta who had the most. They both got 0,6 per game last season. A much better stat, in my opinion.


cule4life said:
In layman terms assisting an assist
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No, not according to whoscored.
 
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Luftstalag14

Luftstalag14

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pEllee said:
Well, when that pass turns to a goal then it's an assist, yes.

EDIT: As for the question who's got the most key passes last season; Rakitic with 2,9 per game.

Barcelona don't really shoot a lot from distance nor do they play direct so it's hard to get lots of key passes in Barca.

Fabregas had the most key passes in Barca though, 1,6 per game.




No, not according to whoscored.
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Thanks again! I see what you mean now.

One more question: Does the "shot at goal" mean shots on goal only or all attempts? For example, yesterday Di Maria fed Benzema a perfect pass and Benzema managed to go for the sky instead. Benzema's attempt was not a shot on goal, does that mean Di Maria's pass was not a key pass?
 
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pEllee

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cule4life said:
So whats assisting an assist called?
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There are no such statistics on whoscored. Nor are they ever really used in football.


Luftstalag14 said:
Thanks again! I see what you mean now.

One more question: Does the "shot at goal" mean shots on goal only or all attempts? For example, yesterday Di Maria fed Benzema a perfect pass and Benzema managed to go for the sky instead. Benzema's attempt was not a shot on goal, does that mean Di Maria's pass was not a key pass?
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Well, since it says at goal and not on I guess it was a key pass.

EDIT: Yep, that was definitely a key pass by Di Maria.

Here's a link that might be useful; http://www.whoscored.com/Glossary
 
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