Frenkie de Jong

[Raketa10]

What is he good at? In what way does he impact the game? One month of scoring goals last season was his only good period at Barcelona

So duty of DM should be scoring goals? Wow! I explained few posts ago what he excels in and I wont repeat myself again. Just try to google him a bit. Try to understand his role with Ajax and now with Barca and than you'll maybe understand how and when his development stopped.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

His bad performance in the Clasico can be explained by the fact of him playing half injured with an issue in his hamstrings.

I agree that he didn't develop like expected. Is the player really to blame though with coaches like Valverde, Setien and Koeman? There might be a reason behind it when Memphis, Frenkie or Busquets look better when they play for their national teams. Telling a player to play by his strenghts isn't enough. Looking at our games, this is exactly what coaches been telling our players in past few years.

 

[Raketa10]

Imagine that Salah was coached by Setien or Koeman instead Klopp. Would he be at the same level?

 

[TacticsTim]

So duty of DM should be scoring goals? Wow! I explained few posts ago what he excels in and I wont repeat myself again. Just try to google him a bit. Try to understand his role with Ajax and now with Barca and than you'll maybe understand how and when his development stopped.

He isn't a dm dumb as how are people so dumb. He never played as a dm in Ajax nor in barca.

 

[jamrock]

Coaching is definitely a key factor in why he has been underwhelming for us, but a lot of the people who defend his average to above average performances for us, is the same ones who will say coaches aren't as big a deal as we make them out to be in a different trend.

 

[Raketa10]

He isn't a dm dumb as how are people so dumb. He never played as a dm in Ajax nor in barca.

What is he?! Enlighten us please?!

This is literally the same position for some people.



Or look at this. FDJ playing in Iniesta position and people here expecting him to perform.



He will NEVER excel in this position! Not in 100 years and not under ANY manager. If we bought him to play in this position than we are fucking idiots.

 

[JamDav1982]

Truth is frenkie doesn't have a singld thing he is good at besides running.
He is average to bad at every aspect of the game. People shit on Arthur but frenkie is the same player just more mobile and can last 90 min. In reality they have the same low skill level

Last season he scored/assisted 16, in league had the most passes, highest pass %, 3rd highest chances created after Messi/Alba while in top 4/5 for defensive stats.

While moving about different roles in team.

Arthur was shite and nothing like a FDJ that couldnt run.

 

[Windhook]

I don't think he has drop of form. His game is the same as last season, the difference is Messi. No more good linking in the FdJ-Alba-Messi triangle to create opportunities for Frenkie and Jordi to score. They have Depay instead, who loses himself in dribble. Not going to comment on FdJ-Ansu chemistry, because I saw nothing in this area so far.

 

[Bobo32]

What is he?! Enlighten us please?!

This is literally the same position for some people.

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Or look at this. FDJ playing in Iniesta position and people here expecting him to perform.

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He will NEVER excel in this position! Not in 100 years and not under ANY manager. If we bought him to play in this position than we are fucking idiots.

We know he didn't play as a DM more than 10 times or something in Barcelona, but can you show more heatmaps from Ajax? The games I saw he was more of a double pivot, utilizing the half space a lot as in the Ajax heat map you posted.

 

[JamDav1982]

Fairly simple decision at this point... build a midfield for him or sell him and save salary.

Busquets and FDJ are chalk and cheese and dont suit same midfield.

Either punt Busquets and centre it on FDJ or see what can get for him which would still be a lot. The top teams would almost all be in for him.

 

[DonAK]

I agree with that. They need to make a decision and move on from one of them.

 

[bastardo]

What reddit says about Frenkie and what this forum says is almost completely different:-

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/qfevte/sports_the_frenkie_de_jong_case_should_be_ringing/

"what do you expect more from him honestly? For me he is one of the best players in Barcelona, but team has no identity yet this season."

"Yea ok it's Frenkie's fault now. Watch him boss the league if City would pick him up."

 

[mc_lovin]

It's really simple:
1) If we want to develop a winning time in the next few years (1-3) the team has to be centered around Frenkie. Meaning we badly need a complementary midfielder for him.
2) We cash in on him and hope for Gavi and Pedri in 4-5 years.

You don't create a good midfield with a bunch of U21 talents. And the rest is virtually impossible to get.

 

[messi2140]

FdJ does not warrant building a team around him. While I'm still of the opinion that he can play for most of the top teams it will always be as that third cog and not the main man of the midfield. In other words expecting him to suddenly become a Verratti , Kimmich , Modric etc... when you build the midfield around him just isn't realistic.

Best comparison is that he would be a at a similar level as Kovacic in a well oiled machine.

 

[BBZ8800]

It's really simple:
1) If we want to develop a winning time in the next few years (1-3) the team has to be centered around Frenkie. Meaning we badly need a complementary midfielder for him.

Let's play a game.

You are a coach-president.
You have 60m to spend on a midfielder.

1. which formation are you choosing?
2. what position will be Frenkie's position?
3. who will be his partners in your midfield?
4. do we play slower possession style or a more direct football?
5. is Ansu a winger?