Frenkie de Jong

[serghei]

At Barcelona, you don't build a system based on the players you have. You have the idea about how to play and select the right players. That's what the fans want and that's what the club is about.

Every legendary team Barca had in the modern era played a 4-3-3 possession-based system or a variation of it. Not only that but both City and Liverpool, two of the most 4 successful teams in the last 3-4 years also play a 4-3-3 with 1 lone DM and 2 interiors.

If Frenkie can't play DM, or CM, or AM, and can only shine in one specific position that doesn't fit our style, he should be sold. And a player that can should be brought in.

 

[JamDav1982]

At Barcelona, you don't build a system based on the players you have. You have the idea about how to play and select the right players. That's what the fans want and that's what the club is about.

Every legendary team Barca had in the modern era played a 4-3-3 possession-based system or a variation of it. Not only that but both City and Liverpool, two of the most 4 successful teams in the last 3-4 years also play a 4-3-3 with 1 lone DM and 2 interiors.

If Frenkie can't play DM, or CM, or AM, and can only shine in one specific position that doesn't fit our style, he should be sold. And a player that can should be brought in.

You were literally arguing last season that Koeman should drop Busquets to play FDJ DM and put Puig into CM with a role from sole DM he could break up the park.

That is a change if system being argued for player available.

It is the usual change of argument as its Xavi. As always.

FDJ was Barcas best mid the season before last even if not his best position and was more effective DM in his last game he played while Busi was barely able to run in 4 of 5 home defeats v average sides.

Busquets cant play at top level as a DM he is too slow when Barca have and dont have the ball.

FDJ while even out of his best position has been better than Busquets.

No real issue selling any player to improve squad but when it is based on idea team is built on 'best DM in world' Busquets and will see more of same of him being exposed v teams v pace that is frustrating part.

 

[Laplacian]

68 million pounds with add-ons apparently, structured over several years are what reports are saying. I didn't expect us to get 120 million euros like some here were for De Jong but even I'm disappointed with the fee.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yeah, saw them at the last Euro.

NL at last Euros won their three group games then went out with MDL being red carded around 50 mins....

Hardly anything to make a point about.

Shite point... Spain with Bus won one game in 90 mins v Slovakia. The other game they progressed they had to take Busi off v Croatia late on as his legs were gone and they scored two late goals.

 

[Barcilliant]

At Barcelona, you don't build a system based on the players you have. You have the idea about how to play and select the right players. That's what the fans want and that's what the club is about.

Every legendary team Barca had in the modern era played a 4-3-3 possession-based system or a variation of it. Not only that but both City and Liverpool, two of the most 4 successful teams in the last 3-4 years also play a 4-3-3 with 1 lone DM and 2 interiors.

If Frenkie can't play DM, or CM, or AM, and can only shine in one specific position that doesn't fit our style, he should be sold. And a player that can should be brought in.

That's the problem. Way too much idealism. 433 played the way we want it played requires players of the highest quality playing with the greatest intensity possible. At the moment we just don't have that quality. The triangle with the DM and two CBS have to be spot on in their pressing and positioning. Thats not happening with Busquets as DM. It's time to be realistic and tweak the formation.

 

[JamDav1982]

Rijkaard played with two more DMs often in a 4231.
Pep played 343.
Xavi has spoke about a 3223 formation he favours.

Barca are not welded to a 433 formation as is made out when it suits the argument.

While if pointing out the formations and tactics of past... show where at any point Barca have played a system with one lone DM and two AMs posted up the park with wide players stuck to touchline crossing balls for fun.

Spare this idea of classic Barca when Barca at end of last season were as far away as will ever see from a 'Barca' style.

Dont believe the shite Xavi spouts about 'obligations' to play a certain way. When that is just used as deflection when dont play well. Look at reality of how he had team set up at end of last season.

When folk are trying to make out Liverpool are playing 433 with a DM and two more attacking mids that is just delusion.

Liverpool have been playing for most part more of a flat midfield three with one central DM and two others who will hold shape more often and cover the attacking full backs.

Nothing remotely like how Xavi is trying to play.

 

[serghei]

That's the problem. Way too much idealism. 433 played the way we want it played requires players of the highest quality playing with the greatest intensity possible. At the moment we just don't have that quality. The triangle with the DM and two CBS have to be spot on in their pressing and positioning. Thats not happening with Busquets as DM. It's time to be realistic and tweak the formation.

Not idealism. Idealism would be to try to play exactly like the 2011 side, which no team does because it's pretty close to impossible. Playing a 4-3-3 is very possible as proven by other successful teams.

I don't agree we should defend deep and play on the counters. That's not Barcelona. The 4-3-3 is the best system for us.

At the moment we don't have the quality to play any system at a world-class level.

 

[Barcilliant]

Rijkaard played with two more DMs often in a 4231.
Pep played 343.
Xavi has spoke about a 3223 formation he favours.

Barca are not welded to a 433 formation as is made out when it suits the argument.

While if pointing out the formations and tactics of past... show where at any point Barca have played a system with one lone DM and two AMs posted up the park with wide players stuck to touchline crossing balls for fun.

Spare this idea of classic Barca when Barca at end of last season were as far away as will ever see from a 'Barca' style.

Dont believe the shite Xavi spouts about 'obligations' to play a certain way. When that is just used as deflection when dont play well. Look at reality of how he had team set up at end of last season.

When folk are trying to make out Liverpool are playing 433 with a DM and two more attacking mids that is just delusion.

Liverpool have been playing for most part more of a flat midfield three with one central DM and two others who will hold shape more often and cover the attacking full backs.

Nothing remotely like how Xavi is trying to play.

This

 

[JamDav1982]

The truth is Xavi thinks Busi is best DM in world and Busi/FDJ are not compatible... which most agree on.

The difference of opinion comes on which one is better to build midfield on and it will another season of Busi barely able to move and a year older.

 

[Barcilliant]

My personal preference would be a 352 if we get Lewa and other signings. Put him and Auba upfront. Pedri, Gavi and Kessie in midfield with two wing backs. Alba or Alonso and Dest. Three CBS Christensen,Kounde/Koulibaly and Araujo.

 

[Barcilliant]

The truth is Xavi thinks Busi is best DM in world and Busi/FDJ are not compatible... which most agree on.

The difference of opinion comes on which one is better to build midfield on and it will another season of Busi barely able to move and a year older.

I'm just amazed that Xavi would take Biscuits over De Jong. He must be stuck in 2011.

 

[vegitot]

He's not shit in any sense of the word, different type of player to Bernardo which is why Xavi wants Frenkie gone.

I agree he should go but I cant blame him if he clings on, although it would fuck our transfer window up for sure. Imagine living in a beautiful city, playing for your dream club collecting massive wages, CL is almost guaranteed as La liga isn't as competitive as PL. Then imagine leaving to live in rainy manchester (I live in the south of the UK and even down here I can admit our weather is shite) to play for a club that finished 6th, no CL and no guarantee they make it next season especially with Arsenal and Tottenham moving quickly.

I think had Bayern or City come in, he'd reluctantly go. United will need to pay him a lot in wages to compensate.

Weird that no top club go for him even with big money. Only Utd with Ten Hag.

 

[vegitot]

Not idealism. Idealism would be to try to play exactly like the 2011 side, which no team does because it's pretty close to impossible. Playing a 4-3-3 is very possible as proven by other successful teams.

I don't agree we should defend deep and play on the counters. That's not Barcelona. The 4-3-3 is the best system for us.

At the moment we don't have the quality to play any system at a world-class level.

Didn't you say this midfielder is stacked or similiar?

 

[wisconsincule]

FDJ isn't any shape or form a shit fucking player.

Christ some of you guys think Bernardo is the second coming of jesus christ or some shit. Yeah, he's an excellent player, but he'll look like Andre Gomes under Xavi and the same guys sucking his tits will turn on him as soon as he starts underperforming calling him the worst signing we have made in years.

This exactly?. The never ending cycle.

 

[Gnidrologist]

So FDJ is elite only when playing in a certain system, for one of the shittiest Netherlands teams in decades.

But can't be elite when playing all over the park for one of the shittiest Barca teams in the last 20 years.

Look, he's DM. A real one in comparison to Busi, who is utter 0% as a defender. He was never played as DM at Barca for some reason. That some reason is our Cancer. I don't claim that DJ would become genius GOAT, when played in his natural role for us, bet it's obvious why he underachieves in roles that are completely foreign to him.