Gerardo "Tata" Martino

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Barcilliant

Senior Member
big_man said:
Lol...You people just don't get it, I have been banging on about this since the start of this season.

Possession football has been sussed out for the most part. This started in 2009 with Chelsea, but teams wisened up over the years to the point that even teams like Valladoid can now succesfully do it fairly often.

Bayern (The super duper "improved" version of Barca) were able to get away with this because of their pathetic league, once they came up against team that had any clue on how to defend and counter, their title of "updated Barca" looked incredibly laughable, I'm not even sure they're a better team than we are now, nevermind peak Barca.
Again, possession football, all things considered has been figured out.
Tata realised this and tried to change it, he was not successful with it(mind you, he couldn't get his own players, and has only been in the job less than a year, pressure from all angles that we weren't playing the "barca way" after the 1st half of the season,plenty of off-field drama in the 2nd half of the season...e.t.c...but that's another issue entirely), but the fact that he realised this IS A GOOD THING, this team needs fresh ideas. We were able to beat Madrid again because we started to take more vertical risks and cede more possession. Tata may not be the ideal candidate because of his motivational skills, but what we need is someone that realises possession football is not THAT effective anymore and try to incorporate other things. Lucho and all these other Barca fanatics will NOT help.

I mean, this here says it all.

Barcelona 0- Bayern 7

12 months later, the same team that destroyed the possession team of 12 months ago, led by the master of tiki taka himself- Pep, changed their style into a possession obsessed one, then what happened?

Bayern 0- Real Madrid 5


It doesn't get any clearer than that.

For a team with so many amazing players like Messi, Robben, Iniesta and co to not score 1 goal in 360 minutes of football, while conceding 12 goals says that something is CLEARLY wrong with the possession tactics against teams that know how to counter it, this has absolutely nothing to do with Tata, but absolutely everything to do with our tactics and how anyone that doesn't bow down to the "Barca way" (which only started in 2009 by the way) and tries a different approach is (and will be) chastised to heavens. The sooner we realise this, the better it will be for us, otherwise, we WILL turn into also rans like Arsenal battling for 3rd place (and winning the possession league of course).

If the board wants this team to progress and not turn into an also ran like Arsenal, we should hire anyone BUT one of these "Barca DNA" fanatics like Lucho and co. They are wanna be Peps, we don't need wannabe Peps when even Pep himself is in big trouble right now.

But yeah, Tata is the cause of our downfall or something.
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GREAT, GREAT post. My thoughts exactly.
 
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Barcilliant

Senior Member
None was calling for Tata's head when we were winning. Besides lets face the facts -even on a bad day our team should be able to beat teams like Granada, Vallaidloid(sp) etc. Champion teams win even when they're not playing great. I mean why blame Martino for the team's motivation or lack of it??
 
xavi_the_Boss

xavi_the_Boss

New member
Yeah we should be able to beat the likes of Granada and Valladolid but we didn´t and i don´t know why only the Players should get blamed.I like Tata but the Team just doesn´t look good and that´s surely not only because of the lack of Motivation(isn´t the Manager responsible for this?).
 
Alarcón

Alarcón

New member
A "bad day" is something different than playing terrible football for weeks or even months. If the coach is not able to motivate his players for such a long time then he is simply not suited to the job.
 
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Flavia

Guest
No words. He should leave today, and let Roura be the coach for the last 2 games.
 
klc123

klc123

Member
Barcilliant said:
None was calling for Tata's head when we were winning. Besides lets face the facts -even on a bad day our team should be able to beat teams like Granada, Vallaidloid(sp) etc. Champion teams win even when they're not playing great. I mean why blame Martino for the team's motivation or lack of it??
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Wrong, many people were upset with how the team were playing long before our season imploded.

People saying tiki taka is dead are fools. Strategies don't "get sussed" out, the teams just don't play them as well.

Real beat bayern because real played counter attacking football better than bayern played their possession football. The game was lost by bayerns awful defending more than anything, nothing to do with counter attacking.

Tiki taka was sussed out the year we lost to mourinho's inter, yet a year later we won everything?

We need a new manager with renewals to the squad, who will play the players in the best way possible.

I hope tata is sacked before the next game.

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If people are so convinced that tiki taka is dead, and we must change how we play, then why are we having the worst season in a long time by playing more direct? Don't blame the defence for everything, we are also scoring less with more players, something is obviously wrong.
 
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linetty

Guest
This board is a circus. They surely won't sack Martino, no matter how shitty he is.

God, please, make summer elections happen!!
 
Alarcón

Alarcón

New member
klc123 said:
Wrong, many people were upset with how the team were playing long before our season imploded.

People saying tiki taka is dead are fools. Strategies don't "get sussed" out, the teams just don't play them as well.

Real beat bayern because real played counter attacking football better than bayern played their possession football. The game was lost by bayerns awful defending more than anything, nothing to do with counter attacking.

Tiki taka was sussed out the year we lost to mourinho's inter, yet a year later we won everything?

We need a new manager with renewals to the squad, who will play the players in the best way possible.

I hope tata is sacked before the next game.

Edit:
If people are so convinced that tiki taka is dead, and we must change how we play, then why are we having the worst season in a long time by playing more direct? Don't blame the defence for everything, we are also scoring less with more players, something is obviously wrong.
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finally some sense here... people are just jumping on the bandwagon of tiki-taka hating like every couple of years

KingMessi said:
So Roura/Rubi would be caretaker manager for the last two games?
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We won 4-0 against Milan with Roura as coach so :lol:
 
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