Gerardo "Tata" Martino

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Barcilliant

Senior Member
It was coping pretty well at the start with Valdez in GOAT form and Pique having less brain farts we were the team to concede least in whole of Europe after Atleti

We haven't lost by a LARGE margin this year. We got blasted by Bayern last year and conceded many goals against weaker opposition too. The fact that Messi was in God like form and RM self destruced were the main 2 reasons for winning the league title.

Also our counter attacking football was very good in the first half of the season and our defence was much better too.

I agree with another poster. If Xavi or any other player had argued with it Tata should have given them and the board the finger and walked off. If our second half of the season had been even 75% of the first half we would have won the league by now, the CDR and probably a CL SF or final would have been done too.
 
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Flavia

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It was coping pretty well at the start with Valdez in GOAT form and Pique having less brain farts we were the team to concede least in whole of Europe after Atleti

Yes, too many times VV was motm and saved the 3 points for Barça. A clear sign that what Sunyol said is accurate.
Valdes immense form this season masked a lot of the defensive problems.
 

Paganinisrvnge

New member
We were ready to sell Pique, Pedro, and Alexis in a heartbeat before Tata came along. It's a shame everything that happened this season and the board refusing to sign players besides neymar in the summer. I really liked Tata.
 

Alarcón

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Yeah Cesc, Messi, Neymar,Alexis suck at counter attacks. Oh wait its only your dear Xavi....

Alexis tripped over his own feet the last time we had a counter attack. Neither of Iniesta, Xavi and Busquets are suited to counter attacking football.

I can't believe people want us to give up our style of play for that. Tata tried it in the beginning of the season and it was awful and utterly boring. I turned off my TV for the first time in several years when Barça was playing and I fell asleep in the return leg against Atlético.
 

Jadentheman

Active member
The issue is that the midfield wasn't suited for counter football. Every other position was ironically. Isn't that why Lucho wants to bring in Pogba? Clearly the midfield trio isn't working anymore. Can't wait for the evolution of our playstyle.

Classical is screwing us over
 

jairzinho

Senior Member
We haven't lost by a LARGE margin this year. We got blasted by Bayern last year and conceded many goals against weaker opposition too. The fact that Messi was in God like form and RM self destruced were the main 2 reasons for winning the league title.

Also our counter attacking football was very good in the first half of the season and our defence was much better too.

I agree with another poster. If Xavi or any other player had argued with it Tata should have given them and the board the finger and walked off. If our second half of the season had been even 75% of the first half we would have won the league by now, the CDR and probably a CL SF or final would have been done too.


I agree with Tata giving them the finger and walking off, but maybe he didn't want confusion and decided not to rock the boat. So he reverted back to the tactics the board and Xavi wanted which is Tiki Taka or death.
 

Paganinisrvnge

New member
Alexis tripped over his own feet the last time we had a counter attack. Neither of Iniesta, Xavi and Busquets are suited to counter attacking football.

I can't believe people want us to give up our style of play for that. Tata tried it in the beginning of the season and it was awful and utterly boring. I turned off my TV for the first time in several years when Barça was playing and I fell asleep in the return leg against Atlético.

The return leg vs Atletico was when we were playing extremely stale possession football. If we don't add variety to our tactics then we will waste Messi's best years and won't win the Champions League again for at least 5 more years.
 

Alarcón

New member
The return leg vs Atletico was when we were playing extremely stale possession football. If we don't add variety to our tactics then we will waste Messi's best years and won't win the Champions League again for at least 5 more years.

Adding variety is something different from completely overthrowing our principles
 

frog-fcb

Senior Member
Could we not try and have the best of both worlds we have a midfield who like to control the game while our wingers an forwards can excel At counter attacking we could also have put cesc in instead of xavi if we want more counter attacking options
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
Adding variety is something different from completely overthrowing our principles

Well, Rijkaard kept our principles AND added various elements of PHYSCIALITY and counter attacking. We will never really know what Tata could have achieved because he wasn't supported by the players, press, fans and the board. Its no wonder he wanted to leave as early as Jan. He wanted players as the leaked document shows but didn't get any. He wanted tactical evolution but the senior players were against it or overdid it at times. He also had to deal with a very small squad, very small players (size wise)and NUMEROUS injuries.

A situation like this would have tested the best, forget someone who is new to Europe. Throughout this whole saga he has handled himself with dignity and never scapegoated the board or players. He has been honest and admitted his failings.

With Lucho we will be back to passing the ball a million times backways and sideways. We need a more physical midfield. A proper, strong box to box player is required. Xavi, Iniesta and Cesc don't score enough goals and don't put a proper defensive shift in either. For me the only untouchable in midfield is Busquets.
 

Jadentheman

Active member
Well, Rijkaard kept our principles AND added various elements of PHYSCIALITY and counter attacking. We will never really know what Tata could have achieved because he wasn't supported by the players, press, fans and the board. Its no wonder he wanted to leave as early as Jan. He wanted players as the leaked document shows but didn't get any. He wanted tactical evolution but the senior players were against it or overdid it at times. He also had to deal with a very small squad, very small players (size wise)and NUMEROUS injuries.

A situation like this would have tested the best, forget someone who is new to Europe. Throughout this whole saga he has handled himself with dignity and never scapegoated the board or players. He has been honest and admitted his failings.

With Lucho we will be back to passing the ball a million times backways and sideways. We need a more physical midfield. A proper, strong box to box player is required. Xavi, Iniesta and Cesc don't score enough goals and don't put a proper defensive shift in either. For me the only untouchable in midfield is Busquets.

Read the Lucho thread and we notice Lucho recognizes our shortcomings and has some ideas for fixing it. Including a more physical midfield and some variations in tactics to have counterattacking football. I think they aren't giving him a chance. I think Lucho can incorporate the tiki taka 2.0 many want on here.
 
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beautifulgame

Guest
Yes, too many times VV was motm and saved the 3 points for Barça. A clear sign that what Sunyol said is accurate.
Valdes immense form this season masked a lot of the defensive problems.

It's nothing to even observe tho. Those same problems of giving the ball up without support and not marking well have existed since the peps final mid-season! All that is unchanged is this season they have a non- club man to scapegoat in the press.
 

DinhoR10

New member
What I personally want from Lucho more than anything is some new La Masia talent become real members of the squad, he has players like Rafinha and Sergi Roberto who both add versatility to the midfield and I would hate to see them rotting on the bench.
 

Egert

Estonian Culé
Martino: "Irresponsible to say Liga was over? Everyone would have said it. We're glad we've made a mistake and that we have another chance"
Martino: "I am proud to be coach of FC Barcelona"
Martino: "Even if we had beaten Getafe, or beat Atletico later it has nothing to do with my position or future."
Martino: "Pique, Neymar and Alba could play against Atletico? They won't be ready for Elche game, newt week we'll see."
Martino: "There was no confrontation with Tello at all. We have talked about things in the dressing room.I have no fights with players"
Martino: "Talks with Luis Enrique? Since I'm here, nothing the club has done was out of place."
Martino: "My future will not depend on winning or losing the league."
Martino: "It has been the case of facing difficulties in certain games. We will just try our best to win the league."
Martino: "We know that Elche are going to be very difficult. They are strong at home. They need a point to be clear of relegation."
 

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