Gini Wijnaldum

[behindbrowneyes]

Looks like the club has put all of its focus to get a number 9. Doubt they'll still go after him now that Koeman is playing Ilaix regularly. Out of Garcia, Depay and Wijnaldum the latter will be the last priority and I doubt Depay is the number 9 they are putting their focus on. It is more likely that they'll try to replace Braithwaite with Depay.

 

[Barcaman]

Looks like the club has put all of its focus to get a number 9. Doubt they'll still go after him now that Koeman is playing Ilaix regularly. Out of Garcia, Depay and Wijnaldum the latter will be the last priority and I doubt Depay is the number 9 they are putting their focus on. It is more likely that they'll try to replace Braithwaite with Depay.

I'd rather we kept Braith then. Surely paid less and I didn't hear him complain.

 

[Porque]

Wijnaldum for Pjanic should be an improvement.

Can we trust a midfield of the following next season?

-Busquets / 34
-Roberto 30
-de Jong 24
-Pedri 19
-Ilaix 19
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-Nico 20
-Collado 23
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-Puig 22

Note: ages are next seasons ages.

Nico, Collado, Puig might not even be here. Sergi Roberto is said to move to midfield every season, flops and returns to right back.

Busquets a year older.

There's room for someone more experienced in the midfield. Wijnaldum for free is a decent option. The whole of Liverpool are dying this season. Can't judge solely Wijn.

 

[Messi983]

I'd rather we kept Braith then. Surely paid less and I didn't hear him complain.

I don't disagree but Koeman doesn't trust MB enough to start him in "easier" games. He wouldn't think twice about starting Memphis even in a big game so we'd get another player to add to the rotation upfront. And his versatility could also be useful especially with Fati's injury concerns.

I've said it before we should have a shorter squad on paper next year but at the same time we should increase number of "effective" players who Koeman will actually use instead of them just being here for a number. Bringing in Depay, Gini and Garcia to replace Braithwaite, Puig and Umtiti for example would give us 16-17 players who I believe Koeman would have a total trust in assuming Fati, Roberto (if he's not sold) and Pique will also be healthy. Right now we have once de gala and not much more with 17 year old Ilaix basically being our 12th man. And as much as I like him and believe he has a bright future that's not a good sign for overall depth of the team.

With limited resources I don't think we can improve overall quality at the top of the team drastically over the summer by getting individual difference makers (would be very happy to be wrong and see Laporta somehow manage to sign Haaland though). What we can do though is improve overall depth. Having 16-17 potential starters is better than having just 11-12 of them even if some "starters" should still be replaced. Don't think we're in that situation this summer though.

If we can get 10-12m for Braithwaite from an EPL club (so we basically cover his value on the books and wouldn't have a loss on him) and get Memphis "for free" on a reasonable 3-year contract I wouldn't be against that. He would clearly play as long as Koeman is here and if a new coach comes and won't count on him we can sell him for whatever we get without having any loss on him. He'll only be 28 next year so he's not that old.

 

[fergus90]

I don't disagree but Koeman doesn't trust MB enough to start him in "easier" games. He wouldn't think twice about starting Memphis even in a big game so we'd get another player to add to the rotation upfront. And his versatility could also be useful especially with Fati's injury concerns.

I've said it before we should have a shorter squad on paper next year but at the same time we should increase number of "effective" players who Koeman will actually use instead of them just being here for a number. Bringing in Depay, Gini and Garcia to replace Braithwaite, Puig and Umtiti for example would give us 16-17 players who I believe Koeman would have a total trust in assuming Fati, Roberto (if he's not sold) and Pique will also be healthy. Right now we have once de gala and not much more with 17 year old Ilaix basically being our 12th man. And as much as I like him and believe he has a bright future that's not a good sign for overall depth of the team.

With limited resources I don't think we can improve overall quality at the top of the team drastically over the summer by getting individual difference makers (would be very happy to be wrong and see Laporta somehow manage to sign Haaland though). What we can do though is improve overall depth. Having 16-17 potential starters is better than having just 11-12 of them even if some "starters" should still be replaced. Don't think we're in that situation this summer though.

If we can get 10-12m for Braithwaite from an EPL club (so we basically cover his value on the books and wouldn't have a loss on him) and get Memphis "for free" on a reasonable 3-year contract I wouldn't be against that. He would clearly play as long as Koeman is here and if a new coach comes and won't count on him we can sell him for whatever we get without having any loss on him. He'll only be 28 next year so he's not that old.

I'm not sure any Prem team is taking Braithwaite. He was bang average here in the Championship so can't really see anyone taking a punt on a soon-to-be 30-year old Braithwaite. But agree that Memphis is being signed as part of the first XI if he arrives.

 

[Laplacian]

Wijnaldum for Pjanic should be an improvement.

Can we trust a midfield of the following next season?

-Busquets / 34
-Roberto 30
-de Jong 24
-Pedri 19
-Ilaix 19
------------
-Nico 20
-Collado 23
------------
-Puig 22

Note: ages are next seasons ages.

Nico, Collado, Puig might not even be here. Sergi Roberto is said to move to midfield every season, flops and returns to right back.

Busquets a year older.

There's room for someone more experienced in the midfield. Wijnaldum for free is a decent option. The whole of Liverpool are dying this season. Can't judge solely Wijn.

You've got a point, midfield still needs work and it's way too inexperienced.

However, there are more midfielders than fucking Gini Wijnaldum in Europe. You're acting as if he's a must when he's a 30+ year old player showing noticeable decline.

How about we go for players in their mid 20s on the verge of breaking through the next level?

 

[malvolio]

However, there are more midfielders than fucking Gini Wijnaldum in Europe. You're acting as if he's a must when he's a 30+ year old player showing noticeable decline.

How about we go for players in their mid 20s on the verge of breaking through the next level?

i'm on the same boat here. would take the plunge on a youngster then another washed up veteran, who wasn't anything special all his career to begin with.

 

[BBZ8800]

We don't need him

 

[CatalinR10]

We don't need him

At first I was shocked but then I understood you , seeing that he's only 1.75m.


No midgets please.

 

[CatalinR10]

On the other hand , if we sell Pjanic or just throw him out of the club and replace him with Wijnaldum as a free transfer , it's a win for me tho.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

On the other hand , if we sell Pjanic or just throw him out of the club and replace him with Wijnaldum as a free transfer , it's a win for me tho.

This would be awesome trade. Wijnaldum would be at least a great sub. Pjanic is totally useless.

 

[DonAK]

This would be awesome trade. Wijnaldum would be at least a great sub. Pjanic is totally useless.

Liverpool already have Thiago in Pjanic's position.

We'll either keep Pjanic or loan him out. They cannot sell him with a loss on the books with more than 40m yet to be amortized. He's sadly turned out to be another problem caused by the last board's dealings.

As for Gini then he'd be like Arda at Barca. Great for their former clubs, but both Klopp and Simeone have squeezed them dry of any juice.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Liverpool already have Thiago in Pjanic's position.

We'll either keep Pjanic or loan him out. They cannot sell him with a loss on the books with more than 40m yet to be amortized. He's sadly turned out to be another problem caused by the last board's dealings.

As for Gini then he'd be like Arda at Barca. Great for their former clubs, but both Klopp and Simeone have squeezed them dry of any juice.

With ffp out and covid, along new board I think the board will try ease things about the whole situation of cooking the books to create fake wins/loses.
I doubt the club would say no to any "real" money coming our way for Pjanic or Griezmann for example.

 

[DonAK]

With ffp out and covid, along new board I think the board will try ease things about the whole situation of cooking the books to create fake wins/loses.
I doubt the club would say no to any "real" money coming our way for Pjanic or Griezmann for example.

To be honest I don't have enough knowledge about how this will or does work so only basing this from what I've read, but perhaps that will be the case.

Griezmann for sure I would sell if Messi continues and if selling him makes signing Haaland or Mbappe realistic.

 

[khaled_a_d]

To be honest I don't have enough knowledge about how this will or does work so only basing this from what I've read, but perhaps that will be the case.

Also, there is ways to go around the system, for example a loan + obligatory sell clause could ease things a lot. For example if Roma wants him for 5M, they get him loan but with mandatory clause to buy him in 2022, his value on books will be 30M so it will be 25M loss on 2 years, but we will get some money to our side and less salary to pay.