Hans-Dieter Flick

[jamrock]

"xavi came in at a difficult moment" is another whitewashing fairytale that his apologist, and he himself with his toxic narcissist entitled attitude, have been trying to push

This dumbass was given 200m in levers to splash on players of his own liking, and misused our only important money during difficult times. Only for that, he lost every 'difficult times' kind of excuse

Besides, almost every coach in the world craves for the Barca job, difficult finances or not. That should never be an excuse for a serious coach



The problem is that folk like yourself, despite not belonging firmly to the apologist camp, legitimize their agenda, by barricading behind the "Xavi is a legend" excuse

No mate, Xavi is a legend as a player.
That never gave him the right or authority of overstepping boundaries in other domains.
He had leeway and trust no other Barca coach enjoyed, and which he never deserved.

A ruthless and serious president, instead of Fatporta who acts on his whims, would have sacked him already after a year or a year and a half, of course a serous president would have never hired him in the first place as he didn't have the credentials

Okay it wasn't difficult, we were on top of the world when he came in and he took us backwards, after spending 200m.

We had won successive league titled and he broke that strike.

Pity he wasn't ETH, who took man utd forward, when they were in a difficult situation, and could only spent HALF a BILLION dollars on transfers.

Not to mention poor poch and the evil Chelsea.

 

[Gnidrologist]

He didn't took us backward, but not forward either. Vining league with 10+ 1:0ns, most of which were riding huge luck + Stegens best league form in decade + Real dropping points left and right, is not as great an achievement as made out. Should've been perfectly doable for team at his disposal and ability to spend on players. Should've Koeman done that, doubt he'd get much praise. Only credit he gets is for introducing some good new youth players, but even that was mostly forced hand move. The football was woeful for most part. There's no excuses for that. He is obviously tactically inept and with bad temper on top of it.

 

[BJJ]

He didn't took us backward, but not forward either. Vining league with 10+ 1:0ns, most of which were riding huge luck + Stegens best league form in decade + Real dropping points left and right, is not as great an achievement as made out. Should've been perfectly doable for team at his disposal and ability to spend on players. Should've Koeman done that, doubt he'd get much praise. Only credit he gets is for introducing some good new youth players, but even that was mostly forced hand move. The football was woeful for most part. There's no excuses for that. He is obviously tactically inept and with bad temper on top of it.

I'm just glad he's gone. There's more optimism now. Xavi was toxic. Almost a mini Mourinho. Laporta really gave him too much leeway. Him saying that we were too big for the EL is laughable. His excuses, whining and meltdowns were more fit for a B grade Spanish soap.
Just imagine another season where he'd complain about the squad, pitch, referees etc
No thanks. I hope he finds his way to Utd. That would be worth watching. The meltdowns in Red Cafe would be epic!!!

 

[companyofcules]

Xavi is a top 3 Barca legend ever and you're acting like we should be crucifying him months after he was already sacked lol

Everybody has been supporting Flick for the last 4 games and he's showed a great level so far...but IT'S 4 GAMES.

Kid, shut your mouth. Xavi is not top 15.
He is just a catalan who had 3 golden generation in his time and was a good holding midfielder, but nothing so special.
This is overhyping due to the national team by low cost journalists and 15 years old mouth breeders.

Laudrup was way better than Xavi and I can name only Puyol and Koeman and there goes your top 3 to toilet. add Alves top 4, Iniesta, top 5, Cruyff top 6, Kubala top 7, Ronaldinho top 8, Villa top 9, Valdes top 10, Messi top 11, Luis Suarez v1 top 12, Hristo top 13, Alcántara top 14, Neymar top 15, Luis Suarez v2 top 16, Eto'o top 17, Busquets top 18, Rivaldo top 19, Romario top 20.
Without Figo, R9 or Maradona who acieved "little".
And before you start yapping Valdes won us a UCL
Villa way better in WC and was absolutely a monster in Barcelona, one of the best individual performances, he was great at Valencia
Busquets had more talent and is arguably the best mid ever in his position in his prime 3 years.
Alves actually had the link with Messi and his abilities were way more superior.
Xavi rivalry is with Deco, both back then and both in his coaching years.
Bet he didn't let it go Deco benched him in his prime.

 

[companyofcules]

I believe Xavi is a greater legend than Deco due to his cabinet and longevity, but prime Deco benched prime Xavi. Are you fucking insane, you think Barcelona is Deportivo Alaves to have a top 3 legend benched in his prime? You know nothing about Barcelona?

 

[companyofcules]

Start with this guy before talking nonsense.

 

[Andresito]

Kid, shut your mouth. Xavi is not top 15.
He is just a catalan who had 3 golden generation in his time and was a good holding midfielder, but nothing so special.
This is overhyping due to the national team by low cost journalists and 15 years old mouth breeders.

Laudrup was way better than Xavi and I can name only Puyol and Koeman and there goes your top 3 to toilet. add Alves top 4, Iniesta, top 5, Cruyff top 6, Kubala top 7, Ronaldinho top 8, Villa top 9, Valdes top 10, Messi top 11, Luis Suarez v1 top 12, Hristo top 13, Alcántara top 14, Neymar top 15, Luis Suarez v2 top 16, Eto'o top 17, Busquets top 18, Rivaldo top 19, Romario top 20.
Without Figo, R9 or Maradona who acieved "little".
And before you start yapping Valdes won us a UCL
Villa way better in WC and was absolutely a monster in Barcelona, one of the best individual performances, he was great at Valencia
Busquets had more talent and is arguably the best mid ever in his position in his prime 3 years.
Alves actually had the link with Messi and his abilities were way more superior.
Xavi rivalry is with Deco, both back then and both in his coaching years.
Bet he didn't let it go Deco benched him in his prime.

Must be the most clueless take I've ever seen on Barcaforum.

 

[companyofcules]

Must be the most clueless take I've ever seen on Barcaforum.

Good for you.

 

[companyofcules]

His first real full time year was 2007, at 27, his glory started in 2008 at 28.
To say that is a top 3 legend of Barcelona is absolute nonsense, top 15 absolute nonsense, top 20 debatable, top 25 for sure.
The rest is media nonsense and catalan chauvinism repeated by fans that overestimated tiki-taka and the power of holding the ball. That's why we collapsed because when your star is Xavi you might think fucking Ferran or is a decent player in Barca or Griezmann and passing sideways is what won the games not Messi, Villa, Iniesta, Neymar, Eto'o etc or absolute heroics by Valdes or Puyol.

 

[Andresito]

His first real full time year was 2007, at 27, his glory started in 2008 at 28.
To say that is a top 3 legend of Barcelona is absolute nonsense, top 15 absolute nonsense, top 20 debatable, top 25 for sure.
The rest is media nonsense and catalan chauvinism repeated by fans that overestimated tiki-taka and the power of holding the ball. That's why we collapsed because when your star is Xavi you might think fucking Ferran or is a decent player in Barca or Griezmann and passing sideways is what won the games not Messi, Villa, Iniesta, Neymar, Eto'o etc or absolute heroics by Valdes or Puyol.

Find me a list by a journalist, a random user or absolutely anyone with a brain that has Xavi even outside top 5. This is common Barca sense.

These lists differ as they would since they are made by different people and different criteria, but one thing in common is Xavi is ahead of most.

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[jamrock]

He didn't took us backward, but not forward either. Vining league with 10+ 1:0ns, most of which were riding huge luck + Stegens best league form in decade + Real dropping points left and right, is not as great an achievement as made out. Should've been perfectly doable for team at his disposal and ability to spend on players. Should've Koeman done that, doubt he'd get much praise. Only credit he gets is for introducing some good new youth players, but even that was mostly forced hand move. The football was woeful for most part. There's no excuses for that. He is obviously tactically inept and with bad temper on top of it.

Okay gotcha, no manager should get credit for winning a league title because they have a team capable of winning it.

Noted.

 

[Barcaman]

To Xavi's credit he also won more Clasicos than lost, I think.

But fact still remains that we generally played poor football even when winning.

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

To Xavi's credit he also won more Clasicos than lost, I think.

I know a guy who was even better in clasicos

 

[companyofcules]

Find me a list by a journalist, a random user or absolutely anyone with a brain that has Xavi even outside top 5. This is common Barca sense.

These lists differ as they would since they are made by different people and different criteria, but one thing in common is Xavi is ahead of most.

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www.fourfourtwo.com

The 20 greatest Barcelona players of all time ranked

Will anyone ever replace Lionel Messi as the greatest Barca player ever? 🤔

www.givemesport.com

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No criteria whatsoever except game time. He won the leagues or UCLs only when others were the main dogs. If he was that top 5 he would have won a League when Barca was shit and for sure I don't remember that.
You talk about brain but Messi, Ronaldinho Iniesta, Koeman, Cruyff are top 5 as impact in my books, you can put Alcantara, Kubala, Rivaldo and others but Xavi is nowhere near except if you ignore reality. Talent wise is Messi, Maradona, Neymar, Romario, Ronaldinho, Iniesta, R9, Cruyff Laudrup, Rivaldo.
So what the hell are we debating here?
You ever saw Laudrup or Figo? Yeah, they went to Real, but if the loyalty criteria trumps, Roberto or Pinto are greater then.
Xavi has no place up there. The debates should be in regards to Pep, Deco, Busquets, and a fuck tone of midfielders in 100 years of well established history.

 

[companyofcules]

Where Xavi is unbeaten is the peasants of England discovering that controling the game and not running like low Iq peasants is actually better on average. Once that made through their small brains, they absolutely overhyped Xavi as some wizard that controls the outcome of games.

You got in that bandwagon as most of the young Barca fans and that fucked us in the long run since we buyed subpar players believing the system will win in the end.

But in truth that isn't necessarily remotely true. Games are won by the attackers and the defenders. You can increase your chances with a briliant midfield but you can't win. For winning you need Messi, Ronaldinho, Iniesta, Villa, Neymar, Suarez or Valdes, Puyol
I can give you a few examples where the midfield was not enough like with Bayern in 2013, like with Van Gaal, the professor of Xavi.