Hans-Dieter Flick

Hansi Flick - how do we rate him?

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Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
jairzinho said:
If he wasn't a good motivator then how did we have such an impressive start to the seaon?

I think the problems lie elsewhere. Fatigue could be an issue. Both mental and physical. Maybe his tactics are burning out the players?

Also it could be that teams are starting to figure us out as others have mentioned.

Could also be a lack depth on the bench. We could only speculate. Either way, he needs to make adjustments asap.
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It's both physical and mental fatigue as you say

But mental above physical.

Players simply lack concentration since the Sociedad game, with the only exception against Mallorca

Most obvious piece of evidence you can see the lack of concentration is the offside trap: the last line failed yesterday to force any offside on Betis. They were playing 10-20 m behind their usual avg position and were slow (brain-wise) to react and position themselves correctly.
 
serghei

serghei

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Birdy said:
It's both physical and mental fatigue as you say

But mental above physical.

Players simply lack concentration since the Sociedad game, with the only exception against Mallorca

Most obvious piece of evidence you can see the lack of concentration is the offside trap: the last line failed yesterday to force any offside on Betis. They were playing 10-20 m behind their usual avg position and were slow (brain-wise) to react and position themselves correctly.
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Maybe the reason most managers don't try an offside trap as a main tactic is because you can't expect players to be perfectly in sync all the time.

Sorry but it's a good tactic to apply in some specific situations, not to trigger it at will like we are doing.

For example offside trap is effective when the opponent is carrying out a counter with 1-2 threats. Then yes. But if the opponent is in positional and can pick out a pass to 3-4 potential runners, then it's suicidal to attempt it.
 
Birdy

Birdy

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serghei said:
Maybe the reason most managers don't try an offside trap as a main tactic is because you can't expect players to be perfectly in sync all the time.

Sorry but it's a good tactic to apply in some specific situations, not to trigger it at will like we are doing.

For example offside trap is effective when the opponent is carrying out a counter with 1-2 threats. Then yes. But if the opponent is in positional and can pick out a pass to 3-4 potential runners, then it's suicidal to attempt it.
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More BS

No, it's not.
It's a conscious choice by managers as to how to shape the tactical identity of the team.
You can do that, you can opt to do other things.
There isn't any approach that is better in principle. It's about the level of execution and detail
Many examples in the history of the sport
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

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Ter Stature said:
I don't disagree about the other stuff, but the part about Cubarsi is nonsense, he's very good in the air and a reason why we haven't conceded from corners.
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He has improved in the air, but it us a team effort. This isn't a complaint about Cubarsi but about the entire defense lacking the towering presence and aerial threat.
 
RedxMAK

RedxMAK

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@Birdy I Agree With All Your Points, But Bro I Feel Like You Should Let Xavi Go Bro, I Understand He Wasn't As Good As We Thought But We Understand You Hate Him To Death...
 
Birdy

Birdy

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RedxMAK said:
@Birdy I Agree With All Your Points, But Bro I Feel Like You Should Let Xavi Go Bro, I Understand He Wasn't As Good As We Thought But We Understand You Hate Him To Death...
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Mate I understand

But I will let it go once all his apologist here:
1) Stop trying to resurrect his ghost every time we have a bad game under Flick

2) Admit they were wrong about him, which they haven't done since two years ago.
If the first 3 months of another coach with practically the same squad can produce that kind of football,
it is (the least to say) hypocritical and douchy to not admit you made a mistake with Xavi

As you can see, especially with no 2, people haven't done that
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
serghei said:
One thing's for sure, Flick will have to adapt to Spanish football not the other way around.

Spanish and Italian football are totally different than Bundesliga and EPL. More tactical and positional, not as much naivety, more focus on the defensive phase... and so on. Less running for sure, but more organization.

And here is Flick trying to build a system from everything Spanish players are least known to be great at.
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He needs to adapt to his team, rather than the league. We can't make the league identifies who we are, that was our problem in the past.

You yourself talk about how Pep with "Barca DNA" dominated EPL.

Flick gamestyle needed attacking fullbacks, currently we have none. The suicidal attacking atm isn't working without those and it exposes the defense with highline.

Currently FB are neither defensive or attacking assets.

Otoh how he handles midfield and attack with direct and risky plays is a very welcome change. Trying to hold the ball more was our downfall, it is what every Spanish team wants us to do, this isn't adapting to the league but being defeated by it.
 
T

Ter Stature

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khaled_a_d said:
He has improved in the air, but it us a team effort. This isn't a complaint about Cubarsi but about the entire defense lacking the towering presence and aerial threat.
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For me that issue lies more in the midfield. In fact Inigo and Cubarsi have a better aerial duel statistic than the vardrid defenders. They are the only players who I've been convinced are giving everything, besides Raphinha I guess.

Problem is they are playing too much.
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
The only proper goal we scored yesterday came from us holding the ball more and actually controlling the game for a few minutes instead of trying to complete an attack with every move.

And pep didn't start to win in the prem until he adjusted his style to the prem.

If flick thinks he'll win la Liga while conceding 40+ goals. Good luck with that.
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
khaled_a_d said:
He needs to adapt to his team, rather than the league. We can't make the league identifies who we are, that was our problem in the past.

You yourself talk about how Pep with "Barca DNA" dominated EPL.

Flick gamestyle needed attacking fullbacks, currently we have none. The suicidal attack atm isn't working without and some defensive measures needed.

Otoh how he handles midfield and attack with direct and risky plays is a very welcome change. Trying to hold the ball more was our downfall, it is what every Spanish team wants us to do, this isn't adapting to the league but being defeated by it.
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I would add to the bad full-backs:

1) Lewa was 4 years younger, and could press with much intensity

2) Bar Raphina, all of Olmo, Lamine, Pedri haven't yet reached the heights of Miller, Gnabry, Coman in pressing.
What made Flick's football a winning machine at Bayern was not ONLY the high line (which here was made even higher) but also the very effective SUFFOCATING pressing from the front 4 or 5 of the team
Flick's Bayern was on par with Klopp's Liverpool (considered by many the best in that department) in the effectiveness of pressing back then

Here only Raphina has reached those levels in the 1st phase of pressing
 
jamrock

jamrock

Senior Member
If playing attacking football is what makes 1 manager better than the other, that's a pretty easy debate to win.

By that logic a whole list of Managers is better than Jose and Carlo.

But not really though.
 
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